Heritage Express - Newcastle Flyer, 27th October 2013

 
  MC3801 Train Controller

Hi Everyone,

This weekend on Sunday 27th October 2013, Heritage Express will be operating their Newcastle Flyer tour with Steam Loco 3642. The train will be travelling along the Newcastle and Central Coast Line to Newcastle. The train will be stopping at Strathfield and Hornsby on the forward journey. The train will be stopping at Hornsby and Strathfield for the return journey as well.

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  Showtime Chief Train Controller

What does the 36 do in Newcastle now that the refuge road has been removed?
Does it uncouple at Broadmeadow and turn at Woodville to reverse into Newcastle?
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

The train is being followed by a diesel.

RTM said that, at this stage, that it is more likely to be a diesel, not a steam engine on Saturday, due to the possibility of the total fire ban being extended into the weekend.
  MC3801 Train Controller
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

If the 36 does come up, it still doesn't explain the procedure for turning it.
Obviously it will not run back to Sydney tender first at 40km/h.
I would still guess it will be uncoupled at Broadmeadow and then turned and sent to rejoin the train in Newcastle meaning the thrill of seeing the 36 arrive will be some what diminished.
  MC3801 Train Controller

If 3642 is not hauling the train on Sunday, which Diesel Locomotive will haul the train?
  Camo3801 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Western Sydney
If the 36 does come up, it still doesn't explain the procedure for turning it.
Obviously it will not run back to Sydney tender first at 40km/h.
I would still guess it will be uncoupled at Broadmeadow and then turned and sent to rejoin the train in Newcastle meaning the thrill of seeing the 36 arrive will be some what diminished.
Showtime
3642 goes all the way to Newcastle. The diesel is re-attached to the back of the train at Newcastle. The diesel then leads the train back to Broadmeadow Depot, where 3642 is turned and watered. The diesel then leads the whole train with 3642 back to Newcastle, uncouples and then follows 3642 and the train back to Gosford and is re-attached.
  Camo3801 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Western Sydney
The total fire ban will be lifted at midnight tonight, giving 3642 the all clear to run on Sunday.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

3642 goes all the way to Newcastle. The diesel is re-attached to the back of the train at Newcastle. The diesel then leads the train back to Broadmeadow Depot
Camo3801
Haven't got time to look at the moment, but I don't think the diesel re-attaches to the train, because the diesel runs separately behind the train.

Also, I have a feeling the total fire ban may be extended to include Sunday, as it wasn't really a hot day today, but it was a total fire ban day, and I think the authorities may be concerned that a steam engine may cause sparks flying off.
  tezza Chief Commissioner

Does anyone have the Special Train Timetable for the run on Sunday?
A few people in the Newcastle suburbs would like to watch 3642 from the lineside as they wont be travelling on it.
  Camo3801 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Western Sydney
Does anyone have the Special Train Timetable for the run on Sunday?
A few people in the Newcastle suburbs would like to watch 3642 from the lineside as they wont be travelling on it.
tezza
Morisset 1124, , Awaba 1138, Fassifern 1142, Adamstown 1159, Broadmeadow 1202, Woodville Junction
1203, Hamilton 1205, Civic arrive 1210, depart 1212, arrive Newcastle 1215 hours.


Newcastle 1244 hours, Hamilton 1250, Woodville Junction 1253,
Broadmeadow 1255, arrive Broadmeadow Yard 1257 hours


(3642 only) Broadmeadow Yard 1500 hours, pass Broadmeadow 1502, Woodville Junction 1504, Hamilton 1506,
Newcastle Turnback 1509, arrive Newcastle 1511 hours.


Newcastle 1527 hours, Civic arrive 1529, depart 1531, pass Hamilton 1537, Woodville Junction 1539, Broadmeadow 1540, Adamstown 1542, Fassifern 1602, Awaba 1607, Morisset 1622
  Camo3801 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Western Sydney
Haven't got time to look at the moment, but I don't think the diesel re-attaches to the train, because the diesel runs separately behind the train.

Also, I have a feeling the total fire ban may be extended to include Sunday, as it wasn't really a hot day today, but it was a total fire ban day, and I think the authorities may be concerned that a steam engine may cause sparks flying off.
Newcastle Express
The STN states that the diesel loco will be detached at Gosford and re-attached at Newcastle, and vice-versa on the return.

Also, the RFS have confirmed that the fire ban ceases at midnight tonight. 26 degrees with a chance of rain forecast for Sunday
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Edit: Camo3801 beat me to it, while I was adding to post (& sending an email), but I can't delete the post.

Camo3801 is correct, Steam & diesel Sydney to Gosford, diesel timed to follow the train to Newcastle, etc.

And quite often, these steam trains can arrive Newcastle earlier than timetabled.

CENTRAL 0848, Strathfield 0901-0903, Hornsby 0936-0938, Gosford 1027-1050 (Water), NEWCASTLE 1215.
Diesel follows from Gosford a few moments later. Bit of train "juggling" here & there

NEWCASTLE 1527, Gosford 1701 - 1721, Hornsby 1826 - 1829, Strathfield 1904 - 1907, CENTRAL 1922

PS Camo, BOM site says 23 degrees for Sydney, and 24 Newcastle
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Also, the RFS have confirmed that the fire ban ceases at midnight tonight. 26 degrees with a chance of rain forecast for Sunday
Camo3801
According to the news, the total fire ban has been extended to include Saturday.
  hellraiser Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle, NSW
Whilst down at thirlmere this afternoon to video the train movement into the city I thought I'd ask if the steam train was running on the Newcastle Flyer on Sunday a staff member advised me no it would not be running and it would be hauled by Diesel, what I saw was 4490 and 4520 hooked up the carriages so I would be under the impression those would be on the consist tomorrow.  We left Thirlmere around 1745 and still nothing had moved so I feel that the consist would move tomorrow morning into the city.

Cheers Richard
  Piston Train Controller

So does anyone know why 3642 wasn't used today? Is she broken or something else? There was no total fire ban on today.

We can't seem to have one decent steam loco working in NSW. Think I'll move to Victoria, they had 5 steam locos at Castlemaine today.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
So does anyone know why 3642 wasn't used today? Is she broken or something else? There was no total fire ban on today.

We can't seem to have one decent steam loco working in NSW. Think I'll move to Victoria, they had 5 steam locos at Castlemaine today.
Piston

My thinking would be, because it was too late to fire her up, The RTM Would have had no Idea as to when the Total Fire Ban would have ended, And since we have had over a week of it, Makes it all the more harder to know

Kind Regards
  SJB Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Agree with Israilfan on this.....

Given the widespread fire activity in recent weeks and the fire ban being lifted at the eleventh hour it makes perfect sense that the 36 was absent from tour duty.

Also it seems a bit premature to jump straight to the conclusion that because it didn't run it must be broken.

According to my understanding of how events where to unfold the 36 was supposed to travel down to Sydney on Saturday, which would have required preparations to begin on Thursday afternoon (Total Fire Ban)
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
We can't seem to have one decent steam loco working in NSW. Think I'll move to Victoria, they had 5 steam locos at Castlemaine today.
Piston
This comment undermines all of the good work done by the hard working teams of volunteers around the state that restore and maintain these old machines for our pleasure. They put in many hours of work as a labour of love so people can stand around with their thumb in their backdoor making snide remarks like "oh, this loco AGAIN, can't we see some variety?".

I'm not going to bother to post a summary of the state of the more active locomotives here as you'd likely dismiss it out of hand and continue your immature complaining. I'm sure you'd be welcome to move to Victoria, they have a very interesting heritage scene.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

So does anyone know why 3642 wasn't used today? Is she broken or something else? There was no total fire ban on today.
Piston
I was told that while it wasn't a total fire ban day, they were worried that a steam engine could possibly cause spot fires.

And how did they "juggle" the train around to return?

They were still timetabled to take the train to Broadmeadow, and to turn on the Wye.

What they did
4520, the rear engine came into platform before (oddly enough) the Newcastle Flyer hauled by 4490 into platform 1.
4520 then reattached to rear of train.
It moved forward to wherever it was. 4490 was then detached from the rear.
4490 then moves into platform 3.
4520 reverses the whole train into platform 1, while 4490 attached to 4520, to become the front for a 15:27 departure.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Piston
So does anyone know why 3642 wasn't used today? Is she broken or something else? There was no total fire ban on today.
I was told that while it wasn't a total fire ban day, they were worried that a steam engine could possibly cause spot fires.

Oh and Piston, you are wrong about "no working" steam locos. Steam engines were not permitted to run, does not mean that their are no working steam locos.

And how did they "juggle" the train around to return?

They were still timetabled to take the train to Broadmeadow, and to turn on the Wye.

What they did
4520, the rear engine came into platform before (oddly enough) the Newcastle Flyer hauled by 4490 into platform 1.
4520 then reattached to rear of train.
It moved forward to wherever it was. 4490 was then detached from the rear.
4490 then moves into platform 3.
4520 reverses the whole train into platform 1, while 4490 attached to 4520, to become the front for a 15:27 departure.
  tezza Chief Commissioner

4520 wasn't the rear engine, they doubleheaded past Wickam about 12 10pm and 4520 was leading 4490
  a6et Minister for Railways

Agree with Israilfan on this.....

Given the widespread fire activity in recent weeks and the fire ban being lifted at the eleventh hour it makes perfect sense that the 36 was absent from tour duty.

Also it seems a bit premature to jump straight to the conclusion that because it didn't run it must be broken.

According to my understanding of how events where to unfold the 36 was supposed to travel down to Sydney on Saturday, which would have required preparations to begin on Thursday afternoon (Total Fire Ban)
Archer

Why on earth would preparations need to be started on Thursday?  Surely the engine would have been checked out in a mechanical way prior to even being lit up.  Likewise at what time on Saturday would it have been needed in Sydney?  Depending on when the fire ban was lifted, it should require 5 hours to light it up from cold status, enough time to get it in steam & to Sydney, under normal circumstances.

However, there is little doubt that scty these days all are over cautious in everything that goes on, & in this case caution was more than likely the reason for it, & we still have a lot of smoke from fires burning here at Wyong all day today.

What this tells me, or begs the question really is why the heck the primary operatable main line steam loco's are kept solely at Thirlmere, rather than at the LES during the operating seasons. Had this been the case, then 3642 would have been in place for the trip & lit up when the all clear given in ample time.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

4520 wasn't the rear engine, they doubleheaded past Wickam about 12 10pm and 4520 was leading 4490
tezza
I was only going by the timetable, but 4520 definitely came into Newcastle Station alone.

Sounds like they were giving each engine a turn as the lead engine.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Depending on when the fire ban was lifted, it should require 5 hours to light it up from cold status, enough time to get it in steam & to Sydney, under normal circumstances.
a6et
I didn't realize that Heritage Express/NSWRTM had crews "on call" to just rush out there and fire the steam locomotive up, then just "get a path" straight into Sydney at the drop of a hat. Clearly they don't roster their crews months in advance, or contact ARTC/RailCorp to arrange pathing and timetables for the trains.

What this tells me, or begs the question really is why the heck the primary operatable main line steam loco's are kept solely at Thirlmere, rather than at the LES during the operating seasons. Had this been the case, then 3642 would have been in place for the trip & lit up when the all clear given in ample time.
a6et
I think that's something everyone can agree on, and hopefully this new Heritage Report will make inroads into making the LES available for all. Currently though, you'd have to negotiate with 3801ltd for that kind of access...

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