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  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
It is just a token policy to shut the greenie/socialists up.
2301


Well that’s a great policy isn't it:!: Smacks of hypocrisy and hasn’t done anything to shut them up. Laughing

Maybe they just want to have an each way bet. Placate the few moderates left whilst not offending The Extremely A#al lot.

The response of the later is predictable. Like everything else they denied and defended even after the bodies piled up. Mind you some continued the battle against the victims because that's where the bucks were Mad

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It's only early days, but credit, where it's due.
michaelgm
Offshore processing and the "PNG solution".  

I'm not a big Rudd fan but I think that did the trick.
  Dungog Diesel Junior Train Controller

Just in case anyone else is still keeping score. Illegal boat arrivals Oct 2012: 2,227, Oct 2013: 337... Yeah, Australian Policy makes no difference.
"Aaron"


Spot on. Labor's regional resettlement policy has made a huge difference.

It would be ridiculous - absolutely ridiculous - to assume the coalition's policy is responsible for such a marked reduction in arrivals. The coalition was elected less than 2 months ago. Parliament has not sat since. No new laws have been passed. Coalition policies have barely even begun to be implemented, letalone actually started to work yet.

So maybe we could give it at least a few months before we evaluate the success of the new government's suite of policies? Seems only fair (to both sides).

Now for a flaming from Aaron and his amigo 2301...
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
So what's the point of this???

"...We will take direct action to reduce carbon emissions  ....
We remain committed to a five per cent reduction in emissions by 2020."

http//www.liberal.org.au/our-plan/environment

Just hot air roll
cootanee
The sooner the better the Libs get rid of the direct action plan the better.   5% off our emissions will do absolutely nothing to the CO2 concentration of the planet.

Where has the money collected from the carbon tax gone?   To assist with debt created by other means or given back to households?  Therefore what was the point?   And an ETS - who wins with that - Europe?  Certainly not the planet.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Now for a flaming from Aaron and his amigo 2301...
"Dungog Diesel"
Possibly not - they both studiously ignored my earlier comments about Abbott being the first PM since 1931 to have no Minister for Science. Have they spotted feet of clay?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Have they spotted feet of clay?
Valvegear
And he's supposed to be a Rhodes Scholar?  I don't get it.  And what's the problem they have with science, is it a dirty word or something...
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Could be that they have a problem with the cr@p being shovelled out as science at the moment.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Could be that they have a problem with the cr@p being shovelled out as science at the moment.
"Donald"
1. Any "cr@p being shovelled out" is pseudo-science.  2. There is, according to Mr Abbott's speech, tremendous advancement and achievement in Australian science. Speaking as a scientist, I have to agree with him. 3. Abolishing a Ministry and Department is no way to deal with pseudo-scientific nonsense. 4. It is also no way to encourage and help genuine science.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
And a minister and department do what apart from waste precious money that should be given to the actual scientists.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Could be that they have a problem with the cr@p being shovelled out as science at the moment.
Donald

Scientists have always been targeted by small minded, tightRsed reactionaries who see them as a threat to the established order. Perhaps it’s time to bring back the methods of the Spanish Inquisition to ensure they only provide the 'right' science Rolling Eyes

These denialists should explain to people dying from the likes of dioxin, asbestos and tobacco smoke that it is just "c@ap" science Mad
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Dungog Diesel
Spot on. Labor's regional resettlement policy has made a huge difference.
It would be ridiculous - absolutely ridiculous - to assume the coalition's policy is responsible for such a marked reduction in arrivals. The coalition was elected less than 2 months ago. Parliament has not sat since. No new laws have been passed. Coalition policies have barely even begun to be implemented, letalone actually started to work yet.
Dungog Diesel

That is just clutching at straws.  No laws have been passed but the coalition has wasted no time in implementing a core fundamental of their policy which is to turn the boats back and to take a hard line; they do not need to pass laws to do this- just instruct and liaise with the military; something Gillard and Krudd didn't want to do for obvious reasons.

I think you will find the PNG and Naru solution don't add to much at the end of the day, as the asylum seekers knew that they were just transit lounges; it all comes back down to the resolve of the Government which I think you will find the asylum seekers are acutely aware of, especially considering they are parting with their or someone else's hard earned money.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
And a minister and department do what apart from waste precious money that should be given to the actual scientists.
Donald

Here, here.  Science at the end of the day will look after itself.  At the end of the day, making more bureaucracy will not achieve anything except create pretend public service jobs.
  Dungog Diesel Junior Train Controller

Dungog Diesel
Spot on. Labor's regional resettlement policy has made a huge difference.
It would be ridiculous - absolutely ridiculous - to assume the coalition's policy is responsible for such a marked reduction in arrivals. The coalition was elected less than 2 months ago. Parliament has not sat since. No new laws have been passed. Coalition policies have barely even begun to be implemented, letalone actually started to work yet.
"Dungog Diesel"


That is just clutching at straws.  No laws have been passed but the coalition has wasted no time in implementing a core fundamental of their policy which is to turn the boats back and to take a hard line
"2301"


Oh really? So please tell me how many boats they've actually 'turned back' so far, and provide a source for your numbers. Good luck finding one.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
And a minister and department do what apart from waste precious money that should be given to the actual scientists.
"Donald"
And just which Minister, advised by which Department, will oversee this allocation of money to the scientists?


Here, here.  Science at the end of the day will look after itself.  At the end of the day, making more bureaucracy will not achieve anything except create pretend public service jobs.
"2301"
Interesting idea - so Liberal Prime Ministers Menzies, Holt, Gorton, McMahon, Fraser and Howard were all wrong to have  Ministers for Science. Good ol' Tony's the only one in step.
The notion of science looking after itself is so stupid as to be hardly worth a comment. However,I live in hope that 2301, the Honourable Minister for Cliches might, "at the end of the day", recognize a basic fact.  Where do you think most research is done? Universities, hospitals, CSIRO et al, that's where. Funding of these will not look after itself. Who do you think lobbies the Treasurer for allocation of funding? Ministers do.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Oh really? So please tell me how many boats they've actually 'turned back' so far, and provide a source for your numbers. Good luck finding one.
Dungog Diesel

Laughing It’s ironic that 2301 is the first to clutch at straws to try and make a case. Scoring cheap political points is predictable Rolling Eyes
Main thing is less people are risking their lives to get here.  
However before anyone gets too smug, we still need to see how Afghanistan pans out post NATO.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Funding of these will not look after itself.
Valvegear
Any coincidence that our universities have been going down in international rankings over the last decade? Again, it's one of those things you can blame both parties for but abolishing science as a ministry sure won't help.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
However before anyone gets too smug, we still need to see how Afghanistan pans out post NATO.
Groundrelay
Twelve years of occupying forces and western money and they still couldn't defeat the Taliban.  I'm guessing it will fall into a screaming heap - I'm sure the government's intelligence is telling them the same thing.

Notice how Tony specifically avoided any kind of 'mission accomplished' mistake when he visited recently; he knows it's not over - not by a long shot.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
And just which Minister, advised by which Department, will oversee this allocation of money to the scientists?
Valvegear
Donald actually has the right idea, having a ministry and a minister to administer it is just a waste of public money, more fat bureaucrats on the country's payroll who earn fat salaries for doing little.

I would do the job for free. I have a rational knowledge of the sciences, so just give me the cheque-book and let the scientists queue up to see me. They can each bring a small contribution to my running costs (bribe) and if they make a good case, I will hand out some dough. I am cheap to run, some just say I am cheap, and I would also give them a fair chance by spinning my lucky wheel, and if they won, they get their contribution back. Simples.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Oh really? So please tell me how many boats they've actually 'turned back' so far, and provide a source for your numbers. Good luck finding one.
"Dungog Diesel"
I have posted the link before around here. The number exceeds three, but the previous Coalition government only ever needed to turn back four and that fixed the issue. The arrival numbers are down by nearly 90% on last year, there's maybe not that many to turn back.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I have posted the link before around here. The number exceeds three, but the previous Coalition government only ever needed to turn back four and that fixed the issue. The arrival numbers are down by nearly 90% on last year, there's maybe not that many to turn back.
"Aaron"



Where they turned back, or transferred to another vessel?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Where they turned back, or transferred to another vessel?
"michaelgm"
The people were turned back, who cares what happened to the boats, maybe the people were on them, maybe the people were transferred and the boat was artificially reefed. - The result is THE SAME, no illegal landing of these people in Australia, potentially 300 people knocking on a smuggler's door looking for a refund... One 'business' closed or relocated, and a bunch of would be illegal migrants thinking twice (or thrice plus) about forking out for the journey.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Spot on. Labor's regional resettlement policy has made a huge difference.

It would be ridiculous - absolutely ridiculous - to assume the coalition's policy is responsible for such a marked reduction in arrivals. The coalition was elected less than 2 months ago. Parliament has not sat since. No new laws have been passed. Coalition policies have barely even begun to be implemented, letalone actually started to work yet.

So maybe we could give it at least a few months before we evaluate the success of the new government's suite of policies? Seems only fair (to both sides).

Now for a flaming from Aaron and his amigo 2301...
Dungog Diesel
You've got a good point there. Abbott hasn't been in long enough, and parliament hasn't sat yet. He's basically pompousing around, seeking photo ops for someone else's work. The 90% drop Aaron speaks of can only fairly be attributed to the Labor policy which Rudd introduced before the election.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
You've got a good point there. Abbott hasn't been in long enough, and parliament hasn't sat yet. He's basically pompousing around, seeking photo ops for someone else's work. The 90% drop Aaron speaks of can only fairly be attributed to the Labor policy which Rudd introduced before the election.
Barrington Womble
Bollocks! You don't need to sit Parliament to change a policy... Policy changes do not equate to legislative changes.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
You've got a good point there. Abbott hasn't been in long enough, and parliament hasn't sat yet. He's basically pompousing around, seeking photo ops for someone else's work. The 90% drop Aaron speaks of can only fairly be attributed to the Labor policy which Rudd introduced before the election.
Barrington Womble

Oh dear, you International Socialists make me laugh with all your back slapping.  The traffic didn't stop until after the current Government got elected, when the turn back the boats take no bullsh1t policy came into being.

When Krudd introduced his PNG policy, it had absolutely no affect on the numbers right up to the election; they were still sending the Navy to rescue asylum seekers 70 metres off the Indonesian coastline.

Take the blinkers off Barrington.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Oh really? So please tell me how many boats they've actually 'turned back' so far, and provide a source for your numbers. Good luck finding one.
Dungog Diesel

I'll read between the lines here Dungog........what you are really trying to say is that you are quite annoyed that the middle eastern crime gangs that are currently wreaking havoc in western Sydney will not be able to dramatically increase their numbers with new recruits any time soon?

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