NSWGR RS Buffet car numbering

 
  Gremlin Assistant Commissioner

Did the RS Buffet carriages have car numbers?  Searching on Google seems to suggest that they didn't....

IF they didn't, did SFS/SBS in the consist ignore the gap?  For example, if a consist was  SBS/SBS/OFS/RS/SFS/SFS/SFS/PHS and the leading carriage was car 1, would the cars display numbers in the format 1/2/3/RS/5/6/7/PHS or 1/2/3/RS/4/5/6/PHS ?

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  M636C Minister for Railways

Did the RS Buffet carriages have car numbers?  Searching on Google seems to suggest that they didn't....

IF they didn't, did SFS/SBS in the consist ignore the gap?  For example, if a consist was  SBS/SBS/OFS/RS/SFS/SFS/SFS/PHS and the leading carriage was car 1, would the cars display numbers in the format 1/2/3/RS/5/6/7/PHS or 1/2/3/RS/4/5/6/PHS ?
Gremlin
The car numbers were for seat booking purposes.

The RS cars had no bookable seats and had no car numbers,which were located next to the passenger entrance doors which the RS didn't have either. The PHS didn't have a car number either.

If the car with a crew compartment was an OFS it would be on the second class side of the buffet car.
If it was an OBS it would be on the first class side.
The buffet car separated the first and second class sections of the train.

So there were no gaps in the car numbers due to the RS. There might have been gaps due to cars being deleted at times of less demand, much as missing car letters on XPTs today.

M636C
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

All good info M636C and thanks the comment about the separation of the classes were the lst class marshalled from the Sydney end and the power car the parramatta end? What and where was car 1 ? Was this info used for all country trains inc SA SoP flyer etc
Thanks again Anzac
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
All good info M636C and thanks the comment about the separation of the classes were the lst class marshalled from the Sydney end and the power car the parramatta end? What and where was car 1 ? Was this info used for all country trains inc SA SoP flyer etc
Thanks again Anzac
Anzac,

Here is an example from the Northern Line composition and marshaling 1965:

6.30  p.m. from  Sydney,  arrive  SOUTH BRISBANE  10.0  a.m.

MHO
L AN (1 & 2)) Roomette Air-conditioned.
N AM (3 & 4) Twinette Air-conditioned.
S B S (6)
R S (-)  Diner
0 F S (8)                
SF S (9)
SF S (10)
PH S (-)

(Load  481 tons.) (Reserved Seats only.)


The numbers 5 & 7 were not used on this train.  First class car marshaled after the sleepers before the RS.  Sorry, I do not have Southern Line on my laptop.  Here is the return run from South Brisbane.

No. 2 Limited Express.
4.40 p.m. from SOUTH BRISBANE, arrive Sydney 8.34 a.m. (8.27 a.m. Saturdays) (8.25 a.m. Sundays).

PH S (-)
SF S (10)
SF S (9)  
0 F s (8)
R S (-)Diner.
S B S (6)
N AM (4)
N AM (3)
LAN (2)
LAN (1)
MHO
(Load 481 tons.) (Reserved Seats only.)


Best regards,
John
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Anzac asked if the lst class were marshalled from the Sydney end and the power car the Parramatta end? What and where was car 1? Thanks again Anzac
The first class changed ends at one stage. 1978 both the Brisbane Limited and Gold Coast MotoRail had the Budd sleepers [first class] on the Sydney end northbound as noted Railway Digest Dec1978 P.296 list of the departures 2/11/1978 ex Sydney.

But the Silver sleepers [first class] were on the Brisbane end of the Brisbane Limited 1990 as shown ARHS Bulletin, The last years of the Brisbane Limited and Brisbane Express (Milne, Rod) Feb 1998.
  Gremlin Assistant Commissioner

John and M636C

Thanks for your input, nor I know how to number my imaginary and not completely accurate consist Smile

Cheers
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
John and M636C

Thanks for your input, nor I know how to number my imaginary and not completely accurate consist Smile

Cheers
Gremlin
Regarding my post above, in two places it has the cool dude smiley after OFS.  Actually I typed in bracket eight (figure) close bracket.  Unfortunately the system seems to convert figure eight close bracket to the cool dude whenever it appears.  Anyhow the OFS in both cases is car no 8 for booking and ticketing reserved seats. 8)

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