Location: Banned
Further to the above, I found this: http://www.forbesaust.com.au/steam_specialbuilds.html
3801 Boiler Update
Barrington Womble
Photo Nazi
Location: Banned
tezza
Chief Commissioner
Just about any boiler manufacturer could produce a portable for a paddlesteamer, a 38 is slightly more complex.
allambee
Chief Train Controller
Just about any boiler manufacturer could produce a portable for a paddlesteamer, a 38 is slightly more complex.As it is a government financed project with people at the top not really knowing anything at all, I wonder why the project people went with plain ordinary carbon steel boiler plate for the boiler, they could have used an exotic stainless, and the people at the top would have been none the wiser.
raymond
Deputy Commissioner
Location: Gladstone, Queensland
Just found this over at railpictures
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=458488&nseq=8
RAYMOND
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=458488&nseq=8
RAYMOND
BM3801
Lobster
Location: Go Hard or Go Home!
Least we know where the boiler is now! Hopefully its not long before its shipped out.
Valvegear
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Richmond Vic
As it is a government financed project with people at the top not really knowing anything at all, I wonder why the project people went with plain ordinary carbon steel boiler plate for the boiler, they could have used an exotic stainless, and the people at the top would have been none the wiser.By the time you add about 18% of chromium and 8% of nickel to make a simple stainless steel, there's a lot more money involved. Would you also advocate stainless steel flue tubes, smoke tubes, superheater header, dome, regulator, safety valves et al? In other words, there is absolutely no point in making a stainless steel boiler barrel. Carbon steel boilers are out there in their thousands, and with proper boiler treatment, last for a long time.
allambee
Chief Train Controller
By the time you add about 18% of chromium and 8% of nickel to make a simple stainless steel, there's a lot more money involved. Would you also advocate stainless steel flue tubes, smoke tubes, superheater header, dome, regulator, safety valves et al? In other words, there is absolutely no point in making a stainless steel boiler barrel. Carbon steel boilers are out there in their thousands, and with proper boiler treatment, last for a long time.Material costs $/tonne would be more expensive, labour costs $/hr would be roughly the same to fabricate in stainless over carbon steel.
Its the labour that's the expensive part, and then the German shop probably couldn't do stainless pressure vessel work, so it would have to go somewhere else in Europe or done in China or back in Australia.
When the first boiler was made presumably the client (NSW Government) did and signed off on regular progress and fabrication inspections (including welding & dimensional audits) during fabrication and before the boiler left the German shop. Then magically it is found that the boiler is dimensionally out of shape when it arrives here in Australia.
I would really like to know how much this is costing the taxpayer of NSW in legals fees, wasting time etc. I don't think that information will be forthcoming, only if the SMH is interested.
All I'm saying with all the money spent they could have gone stainless steel.
I also find it amusing how the Gladys Berejiklian run department protects and covers up such incompetence done under the previous Government.
Valvegear
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Richmond Vic
All I'm saying with all the money spent they could have gone stainless steel.I didn't realise you were being a bit "tongue in cheek". I think you're right; nobody would have been any the wiser.
YM-Mundrabilla
Minister for Railways
Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Given the reduced heat conduction properties of stainless steel (tubes/flues/syphons etc) the thing probably would not steam as well. Valvegear is right - stainless is neither suitable nor necessary.
lsrailfan
Chief Commissioner
Location: Somewhere you're not
So I'm assuming that picture of the boiler, Is the 2nd one, And she is all ready to go?
Kind Regards
Kind Regards
Spiritman
Train Controller
Location: Camden, NSW
So I'm assuming that picture of the boiler, Is the 2nd one, And she is all ready to go?Talked to a board member of the NSWRTM a few weeks ago and apparently the gov and the museum are planning a big celebration for June 2014 for her return to service.
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NSWGR 3827
Deputy Commissioner
Location: South of the Border
Talked to a board member of the NSWRTM a few weeks ago and apparently the gov and the museum are planning a big celebration for June 2014 for her return to service.
That's tempting fate isn't it?
Planning something before the Loco is even Finished.
Spiritman
Train Controller
Location: Camden, NSW
That's tempting fate isn't it?He spoke pretty confidently and I got got the impression things were going well....
Planning something before the Loco is even Finished.
allambee
Chief Train Controller
He spoke pretty confidently and I got got the impression things were going well....One would expect things would be going well by now.
If they stuff it up again, they won't be getting another chance.
nswtrains
Chief Commissioner
One would expect things would be going well by now.And you know this for a fact or is it one of your usual attempts to big note yourself. And how do you know that the government is not being compensated for the stuff ups. Anyhow it is all rather small beer in the overall government funding scheme so why fret about it?
If they stuff it up again, they won't be getting another chance.
allambee
Chief Train Controller
And you know this for a fact or is it one of your usual attempts to big note yourself. And how do you know that the government is not being compensated for the stuff ups. Anyhow it is all rather small beer in the overall government funding scheme so why fret about it?
Having worked on major projects in the power generation and mining sector for the past 25 yrs, I know questions get asked and reviews are done where there are delays cost overruns etc. So what if they might be getting compensated and people here are blaming the fabricator. In the private sector questions get asked why the procurement and inspection process has allowed such a suitation to occur.
Raichase
Captain Rant!
Location: Sydney, NSW
That's tempting fate isn't it?I think it's no different from any other industry. When a "big thing" (TM) is approaching, one must set some planning in motion, or else the punters will be disappointed by a half-arsed approach. There's nothing wrong with ensuring that everything is in place for the event. Assuming that some unforseen circumstance rears its ugly head and things are delayed, then that's that. Better than having the loco ready and sitting in silence because nothing has been planned.
Planning something before the Loco is even Finished.
TheFish
Chief Train Controller
Location: Pyongyang
NSWGR 3827
Deputy Commissioner
Location: South of the Border
I think it's no different from any other industry. When a "big thing" (TM) is approaching, one must set some planning in motion, or else the punters will be disappointed by a half-arsed approach. There's nothing wrong with ensuring that everything is in place for the event. Assuming that some unforseen circumstance rears its ugly head and things are delayed, then that's that. Better than having the loco ready and sitting in silence because nothing has been planned.But how many loco Restorations/Overhauls have run well past a projected/estimated completion date in the past, not saying it will but I would have expected it to be much closer to running before the event planning gets underway.
MC3801
Train Controller
Just received an Information Pack about Transport Heritage NSW from the RTM earlier today. It says 'The overhaul of 3801 is continuing. The boiler is currently being rectified by the German Contractor and is expected to return to Australia in the new year. The current volunteer team at Chullora will continue its work overhauling the engine. The NSW Minister for Transport has asked the Chair Designate, Transport Heritage NSW, to make the return to service of 3801 a priority'.
Salty21
Junior Train Controller
Location: Canberra
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=458488&nseq=8Nice Picture Fish she will be back, these things don't happen overnight!
Raichase
Captain Rant!
Location: Sydney, NSW
But how many loco Restorations/Overhauls have run well past a projected/estimated completion date in the past, not saying it will but I would have expected it to be much closer to running before the event planning gets underway.My understanding is the boiler is literally the only thing required to get the loco going now.
TheFish
Chief Train Controller
Location: Pyongyang
From the c 38 facebook page:
"3801 UPDATE.
We have just been advised that the new boiler for 3801 has passed all the required tests and is on its way from Germany. More details as they come to hand."
"3801 UPDATE.
We have just been advised that the new boiler for 3801 has passed all the required tests and is on its way from Germany. More details as they come to hand."
Graham4405
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: Dalby Qld
Hopefully those tests included ensuring the shape and size are correct!
Valvegear
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Richmond Vic
I'll believe about half of what I hear, and everything I see.
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