A-City trains

 
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

If driver training can be done in 2 weeks (Which was said at a meeting today that was the time frame for it) then I'd think they are correct and the line could still be reopened by the 1st of December otherwise no.

Ten news have reported driver training has started but that isn't the definitely isn't the case because we havent seen a flurry of trains on the line yet and a train driver even confirmed that what Tom said is lies (Regarding driver training has started)

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
'Disagreements' in design, Bombardier think they're great as is, which is understandable. Probably among other things, DPTI are not keen on losing part of a person in the coupler opening.
Aaron
It's true that the coupler openings are quite large.  I assume they were deliberately made that way, that there must be an engineering reason for it such as ventilation for heat sinks under the train or something?  Anyway the mock-up pictures from 3 years ago clearly show the design exactly as it is; why say something now when the sets are in the process of delivery?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

To me it doesn't look like anything other than the opening required for the rotation of the coupler with the end bogie. There's no outer fairing covering up the below-floor components on each side like you get on a proper high speed train designed to go at triple the speed, so I doubt it would be for ventilation purposes.

Surely there's at least one local business - maybe some kind of boat business that works with GRP on a daily basis - which is capable of making 44 easily detachable fairings to cover over the coupler? If it gets done soon there might still be somebody left in SA capable of painting them the right shade of red.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It's true that the coupler openings are quite large.  I assume they were deliberately made that way, that there must be an engineering reason for it such as ventilation for heat sinks under the train or something?  Anyway the mock-up pictures from 3 years ago clearly show the design exactly as it is; why say something now when the sets are in the process of delivery?
don_dunstan
Maybe it was said before and it's just coming to a head now? I have no idea. On the necessity of the gap, the Perth B cars don't seem to have anything like the same gap. There may be other issues too, I doubt that the coupler pocket gap is the only (or the major gap) at the end of the day if it's to be changed it's possibly only a different cowling that could be retrospectively applied.

There might be something going on under the coupler, I wonder what's bracing the cow (pedestrian) catcher.

I think part of the reason the pocket gap appears so large is due to the location of the MU ports on the Schaff, the 4000s are above, Perth B and SA Pox have them on the sides...
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Here's a video of driver training it doesn't have audio which is rather disappointing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjgcbYQZkZY
thewaratahtrain
Actually, I find that whole video disappointing! It's not just the lack of sound. That was the big test run, and we get a YouTube upload like that? The video was a bit shaky, but even more noticeable was that the ride quality - esp with brand new track and brand new train, didn't look that smooth and sharp.

Guess we'll just have to wait until if they get here. - no typo.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I'd like to know what went wrong with the GoPro they had mounted back in September for the first on-board clips of a test run across the bridge which forced them to switch to hand-held mobile phone clips now. Did the GoPro get borrowed by a driver trying out the new Britannia Roundabout arrangement (now two roundabouts but still only one buttock) or a cyclist coming to grief in the pothole-riddled gutters the department incorrectly labels as bike lanes?

I hope that the wobble merchant with the phone wasn't in charge of any critical site surveys, tolerance measurements or platform clearance testing.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I agree the whole video was disappointing but I can guarantee you the whole ride won't be shaky that's just mobile phone footage, whoever was filming it doesn't know how to use a camera, the ride on these trains is exceptionally smooth you practically glide along,
"thewaratahtrain"
I remain unconvinced, there's a bunch of conveniently located vertical masts passing through the left of frame, and an approximately vertical windscreen washer blade to the right. Throughout the video in question the reference between the two varies, but the windscreen blade maintains close reference with other things in the cab, that is the camera is swaying with the train, the posts are fixed which must mean the train is swaying. With all due respect I am not convinced that youtube footage from other states proves your point...
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I agree Aaron.

Did they pick up the track from WA as well.

Some would argue that modern concrete sleepered track mechanically packed does not need a settling in period. I am not convinced. I believe any track will, including equalising out of rail stresses. I hope the construction tender allows for repacking after a "running in" period.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It could be something to do with the smoothness or the straightness of the track or simply how high the bridge is above sea level and how much of a windy day it was trains sway side to side more when it's really windy and the trains at a high speed looks like he's doing about 90km/h there
thewaratahtrain
Where do you live? Clearly not locally, the train is doing about 40km/h, how do I know that? Well I know that the bridge is 1.2km long and I know that at 90km/h that distance is covered in 48 seconds. Being a 'local' I also know the video starts on the bridge and ends on the bridge and takes approximately 1 minute. Then there's the most damning evidence of all, a cursory glance at the speedo (that would be the middle dial) which is clearly stuck on 40 for the entire ride. - Exceptionally slow.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

More likely 40km/h if you look at the centre dial
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The ride did look a lot better in the previous video from September which had a mixture of external shots (filmed using a tripod) and a mounted GoPro or similar (with the distinctive crappy fisheye effect) looking out of the rear cab.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
A somewhat different test took place today compared with the last two days.

Looking across from Port Noarlunga, this is what I saw this afternoon.


Closer investigation from Sauerbiers Rd showed 3008+3023+4001 under diesel power.


The panto went up and the braking test continued under electric power.


A close up shows the coupler between 3023 and 4001.


A trailer car (4003?) was sitting on its own in the unloading road to the east of Seaford Depot. I didn't get a photo.

Alex C
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Imagine trying to get that consist at Oaklands station.

That consist may be longer than the 5:05pm Gawler Central service which is comprised of five 3000 class railcars.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
That's interesting. 2X 3000's can move a 3-car 4000. Maybe practice for towing to Dry Creek before the wires can extend that far?

No doubt there may be situations in the future where either a 4000 will be required to tow a failed 3000 or vice versa.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Imagine trying to get that consist at Oaklands station.

That consist may be longer than the 5:05pm Gawler Central service which is comprised of five 3000 class railcars.
Milkomeda
How long is a 3000 railcar?  It's not as long as a 4000 car.  I tried googling but couldn't find the length.

Alex C
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

I would've thought that if a diesel train broke down on the Seaford line when electric trains go into service they would send another diesel from dry creek to tow it back to the DC depot rather than have an electric train tow the broken down diesel to Seaford depot

EDIT: Well looking at the pictures the 4000 does look a bit shorter in length than the 3 car consist of a 3000 class railcar but I dont know the exact length of the 4000 class railcar
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Imagine trying to get that consist at Oaklands station.

That consist may be longer than the 5:05pm Gawler Central service which is comprised of five 3000 class railcars.
Milkomeda
Think you'll find it's shorter.
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
It could be something to do with the smoothness or the straightness of the track or simply how high the bridge is above sea level and how much of a windy day it was trains sway side to side more when it's really windy and the trains at a high speed looks like he's doing about 90km/h there
thewaratahtrain
Who on earth blatantly trolls railway interest pages, especially for something as esoteric as Adelaide's new sparks?  Takes all sorts I guess.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Imagine trying to get that consist at Oaklands station.

That consist may be longer than the 5:05pm Gawler Central service which is comprised of five 3000 class railcars.
Milkomeda

There are no 5 car consists in service at all. The last time they were was during the Mawson Lakes to Gawler Central line closure when 5 cars would head to Mawson Lakes to split in the mornings.

Otherwise, there has been no 5 car services what so ever in recent history.

FYI, the 5:05pm Gawler Central is 3 cars. Longest are the 5:20pm and 5:35pm Gawler Centrals that use 4 car 2000/2100's.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Tonight 4002 was towed behind 3017 & 3016, bound for the Dry Creek Depot.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Tonight 4002 was towed behind 3017 & 3016, bound for the Dry Creek Depot.
greasyrhys
Missed it!
  rxclass Junior Train Controller

Location: On the manual turntable at Marino turning an exquisite Rx class steam locomotive.
Missed it!
Aaron
G'evening All,

So it would seem also missed by our 'ever vigilant' press.

Regards,
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

G'evening All,

So it would seem also missed by our 'ever vigilant' press.

Regards,
"rxclass"
That would be because it would not be worthy of covering on even the slowest of news days.
  rxclass Junior Train Controller

Location: On the manual turntable at Marino turning an exquisite Rx class steam locomotive.
That would be because it would not be worthy of covering on even the slowest of news days.
justapassenger
G'morning All,

An 4000 series electric being towed by a diesel to Dry Creek for it's first mandatory service because the overhead wire is not installed, and you believe that the anti Labor government Murdoch press would not report it because 'it would not be worthy of covering on even the slowest of news days'. And with an election in the wings. They were asleep that's all.

Regards,
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

And yet somehow all the other non-Murdoch media outlets missed it as well, including the left-leaning ABC which had Chloe Fox on yesterday morning not to talk about electric trains but rather about the bus operators instructing drivers to break the road rules by parking in active bike lanes and clearways.

There was a story in the Advertiser on the imminent commencement of electrification works to the north a couple of days ago, which is far more interesting than a train being moved from one place to another. I believe that they previously covered the diesel haulage issue and the subsequent Adelaide-DC electrification announcement some time ago, and that rehashing it isn't really necessary.

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