Grain Refinery Plant West Tamworth. Possable reuse of short section Barraba line

 
  chuffa Junior Train Controller

Does anyone know anything more on this?
http://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/1934713/bringing-in-the-harvest-300m-grains-refinery-500-jobs-up-front-75-ongoing/?cs=157

I would be interested to know if they would be looking at reusing the 5 klm West Tamworth-Westdale section of the closed Barraba railway again, or if it would all be handled by Trucks.
Would nead some work to rebuild bridges, upgrade crossings and upgrade trackwork but can see why it could not be reused.

I would rather put up with the odd train then heaps of Trucks.

Chears Chuffa.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A facility of that type would need rail with the tonnages they are quoting.  It is 500,000 tons of product, my thoughts are how do they get the product to the plant let alone what might come out?

Regards
Brian
  chuffa Junior Train Controller

Would be 2nd biggest grain plant in Australia. Could be railed from out west to Werris Creek up to Tamworth and back out again. When line was cut at Boggabri 12 months ago and containers loaded at West Tamworth it put alot of trucks on the road.
  a6et Minister for Railways

If you read the news it says that the new plant would produce the items mainly from local grown products.

Given that there used to be a lot of wheat, also sorghum grown along the Barraba line which also went to Fielders at West Tamworth, along with the grain belt towards Werris Creek - Quirindi & Willow tree, & out towards Carrol there is more than enough grain to meet their needs.

I would suspect that the raw grain would not impact local roads any more than current harvests, as likely the same trucks would deliver there rather than to storage silos, & many of them old are styles anyway.  The difference may be in any products that can be shipped out of the processing plant, & if any of the operators would be actually interested in that sort of business.

How much freight now goes out of Tamworth by rail?  Such as from Fielders & the freight centre, if that is all or mostly by road, not a lot of hope for the new plant on rail.
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
Is there still any regular freight through Tamworth?
  chuffa Junior Train Controller

Nothing in or out of Tamworth except Xplorer. Fuel Trains dead,  Fielders has not had anything for 5 years and Freight center handled timber trains around 2010 but that stopped as quick as it started. Only movements was when the the line was cut at Boggabri, containers were loaded for around 6 weeks until the Boggabri line reopened.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I recall grain wagons were once stored on the branch from West Tamworth some years ago.  Is this still the case or has this practice now ceased?

Any reason why the timber traffic dropped away?  We know about the fuel.

Regards
Brian
  a6et Minister for Railways

The sorrow of all this is the pain of rural cities being cut off since the rail privatisation that followed the embryonic destruction under Askin & the Shirley years.

Why is it that cities of the size of Tamworth, Orange, Parkes, Bathurst, & how many others are devoid of rail business?  Coal, the so called saviour of the railway networks will die out eventually, & what then.

Tamworth is well within an 8 hour freight train timetabling arrangement, as is many other cities, & there is absolutely no reason why they could not support at least one train per day & do so viably.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This situation appears to be ingrained in the Australian Rail Management Practice.  Once the gravy train finishes what will the railways do then?

Regards
Brian
  chuffa Junior Train Controller

Grain wagons been gone for 2 years, removed by truck and cut up in Newcastle. I dont know why the timber stopped. Theres heaps of timber still being trucked out thou.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
If the company planning the new facility wanted to use rail for their product shipments, they would build their facility next to an active mainline or within a yard limit of a major railway centre.
  a6et Minister for Railways

If the company planning the new facility wanted to use rail for their product shipments, they would build their facility next to an active mainline or within a yard limit of a major railway centre.
Nightfire

The location of where the new facility is to go in, is not far from the old Barraba line, in fact it could well be situated right alongside the line.  Being only a relative short distance to the West Tamworth, whats left of the yard precinct, it would work out a lot cheaper in the long run to put rail connection & loading/unloading facilities at the site.

While there is some small road crossings, as well as the fairly busy one new the non freight centre, that has never been a worry in the past, as the trains were not fast, IIRC there was also flashing lights with shunter control switches there anyway.

If the loading/unloading facilities were to be placed in West Tamworth, it would need road transport from there to the factory plant & back again, meaning a lot more handling, the last thing that rail needs & a certain killer for rail use these days.
  smithy48165 Station Staff

Boys,

The timber loading was to have taken place at Tamworth and at later at Armidale. The story I've been told by those in the know is that the logging suppliers were ready to go, the railways were ready to go but the local Council put so many restrictions on the trucking of the timber to the railyards and the loading of the logs themselves at the railyards, it then become not cost effective to rail anything anymore.

Another very good potential use of rail, to take more trucks off the road, stuffed by Council red tape.

Result: The trucks now drive down the Highway to the Ports.

So much for the environment.

Regards

Smithy
  smithy48165 Station Staff

Oh by the way, wait till the Local Council gets hold of this plan with the Grain Refinery.

They can turn a potentially good business into a small business overnight.

I would love to see the the Barraba Line re-used, the local industry flourish and more jobs for the locals but somehow one becomes a little skeptical when watching how our various Government entities work hard to put hurdles in the way of business.

Regards

Smithy
  a6et Minister for Railways

Boys,

The timber loading was to have taken place at Tamworth and at later at Armidale. The story I've been told by those in the know is that the logging suppliers were ready to go, the railways were ready to go but the local Council put so many restrictions on the trucking of the timber to the railyards and the loading of the logs themselves at the railyards, it then become not cost effective to rail anything anymore.

Another very good potential use of rail, to take more trucks off the road, stuffed by Council red tape.

Result: The trucks now drive down the Highway to the Ports.

So much for the environment.

Regards

Smithy
smithy48165
Plans were also made at Quirindi for a Timber exporting facility, which would send the timber by rail. I understand this was the result of a failed project further up the line towards Armidale.

The Quirindi council approved the whole process but the rail side did not eventuate.  The timber facility went ahead in Clarke St Quirindi, & is served by road, part of the original project included the building of a large siding off the main line, as the idea of loading in the old rail yard at Quirindi was rejected owing to the amount of trucks that would be turning in the main street.
  chuffa Junior Train Controller

Theres plenty of room at Clark st where the old line used to run. Trucks would not have had to go down the main st at all. Quirindi does not want anymore trains and is already complaining about all the coal trains that go through there.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Theres plenty of room at Clark st where the old line used to run. Trucks would not have had to go down the main st at all. Quirindi does not want anymore trains and is already complaining about all the coal trains that go through there.
chuffa

The point being that Clark st being used by trucks & then onto rail means having a loading/unloading facility built for rail & road at the railway yard, say West Tamworth, then a similar facility not far away for road, that eguates to a fair bit of double handling. Whether Clarke St is used or some other road, it is still extra & unnecessary extra road transport as well as the added cost of the two transport modes.

Certainly Quirindi may not want more trains, especially of the coal type, however the proposal for the transport of timber was put forward & agreed to several years ago.  The problem with many in Quirindi is that they like the benefits of the railways, & the employees who used to live there, & patronise the town, but they also looked down on them as not being quite good enough to fit into the local scene.

Had the timber, gone onto rail at Tamworth, as well as the Fielders traffic stayed on rail they would have had extra trains anyway, not forgetting the fuel, & they did not like the price hike of petrol when the railways stopped the petrol wagons from being shunted off at Quirindi & the fuel went through to Tamworth & back by road as a consequence.
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

All will be explained for the West Tamworth grain proposal when the Environmental Impact Statement is lodged.   The means of transport into and from the site has to be fully detailed.
  chuffa Junior Train Controller

John Holland had a high rail Landcruiser inspecting the rail around the Westdale silos. Where former saleyards was is being looked at for a container loading facility.
  a6et Minister for Railways

John Holland had a high rail Landcruiser inspecting the rail around the Westdale silos. Where former saleyards was is being looked at for a container loading facility.
chuffa
I went to Tamworth a couple of weeks back on the Xplorer, going through West Tamworth all but made me cry as I saw what was left of the yard & associated terminals there, not to mention the sidings over at Tamworth being non existant.

In the main freight centre the two roads that went to the covered loading docks are now truncated with the points removed, the high lift overhead crane sidings are now just trucks, RTC's sit in the Shell depot siding around 8 of them. The twin tracks into Fielders is rusted over, not sure if connection points are removed or not.

Even the large Joe White maltings siding has dirt over the tracks.  Each of these were heavy users of rail, & that does not include several other rural suppliers.

A shame that a small town of 60000+ people & growing along with businesses is unable to sustain a single freight service per day anymore.
  chuffa Junior Train Controller

I did find some information in 2014 that John Holland rail has secure funding to upgrade the line to Wallamore silo. Hopefully it's some good steps getting it up and going again. Have heard the Tamworth freight centre had noise complaints so won't be reused to load train containers. Could well be BS as well.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I did find some information in 2014 that John Holland rail has secure funding to upgrade the line to Wallamore silo. Hopefully it's some good steps getting it up and going again. Have heard the Tamworth freight centre had noise complaints so won't be reused to load train containers. Could well be BS as well.
chuffa
Not too sure about the noise being a problem if for no reason than the residents around the whole yard area are now basically rail type noise free as only the down & up Xplorers are scheduled through there daily, & any attempt to reopen the yard would meet with resistance, its happened elsewhere & will be a problem.

Noise as well as resistance to this new venture is very much to the fore in Tamworth, as newer residents dont want trains along the old Barraba line also there is a danger aspect with trains running along the lines with crossings & the like. The suburb of Westdale skirts along part of the line so they see it as a negative, even if it means less trucks on the road.
  chuffa Junior Train Controller

Surveyors have been looking at the line for last 3 days form West Tamworth to Wallamore silo. Must be getting more serious.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Surveyors have been looking at the line for last 3 days form West Tamworth to Wallamore silo. Must be getting more serious.
chuffa
As much as I don't like the fellow who owns the company, my hope is that Qube ends up with the contract for rail in this plan, rather than PN or Aurizon, as neither of them are especially interested in local type business whereas Qube has shown their interests in markets such as this.

If it ends up a goer & qube is the rail forwarder they may take, & make enough interest in getting some of the other freight that was on rail in the past back.  Wishfull thinking.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Couldn't agree more

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