Thanks!! So there's no plans for Waratah trains to operate on the Eastern Suburbs and Illawara Line?

No. Sector 1 services will continue to be operated by Goninan-built trains (i.e. Tangaras and OSCARs).

Wait don't u mean for sector 1 as their are still many waratahs planned for sector 3.

Are there any plans to which rosters will be changed from S set to an A set consist with the remaining waratahs to come?

According to a plan for 2014, the remaining Waratah A sets will be added to Sector 3.  

With the commencement of the October SWTT the status was:-
Sector 2: 32 A set Rosters
Sector 3: 20 A set Rosters  

Since October, 7 A set Rosters have been added to Sector 3, and another 13 Rosters are due to be added during 2014.  

Therefore, the Final allocation of 78 A sets will be:-
Sector 2: 32 Rosters
Sector 3: 40 Rosters
Six (6) sets will be allocated as "Spare & Repair/Maintenance" at any one time.  

Sector 3 will see the balance of the S set Rosters replaced, plus some K set Rosters replaced with A sets.
Sector 2 will see the majority of S set Rosters replaced by the K sets displaced from Sector 3.  


- Scott.

Thanks! I thought the waratahs were to replace the non - air conditioned carriages rather than K sets

The displaced K sets are replacing the non-airconditioned carriages. Makes sense to try and keep all the K sets in the one sector.

Myself and hundreds of engineers and timetablers would be very pleased to hear of any counter arguments to this.

^no. Sorry Raichase, I agree with most everything you say, but that statement is completely misleading. A Waratah is far better suited to the stop and start nature of Sector 2 due to its far superior power to weight ratio and better acceleration and deceleration, while the handicapped K Sets perform better in Sector 3 express runs.

Imagine a clapped out Datsun from the 80s, it might take a while to get up to the speed limit, but when on an expressway (a la Blacktown to Parra, Parra to Stratty), it can sit at the limit quite comfortably.

A brand new Merc, while only able to do the same top speed at the Datsun, can accelerate quicker and brake later into each set of lights (a la all stations Inner West and Banko services).

Myself and hundreds of engineers and timetablers would be very pleased to hear of any counter arguments to this.

I would have to concur with you Bernerd. You can get a smooth, more efficient and better use of resources by having the new trains on the all stoppers. Timetables are written with the characteristics of the K set etc in mind, so if you put a new train on an express path all you are doing is wasting a resource, getting into stations early and wasting power.

Never had a trouble with a K set keeping to an express table, even in auto. Having a new train on the all stopping service is better as you say because you can make up time with greater ease and provide a much better stop constantly for the passengers. Its an opinion shared by many experienced drivers that I have spoken to.

Further to that comment, the K sets are best on slower runs due to their poor power to weight ratio versus the more modern trains. Ie, there's no real benefit to them running on express Western line trains as they take so long to get up to speed, better to have them deployed on all stations sector 2 running (Bankstown and Inner West trains).

^no. Sorry Raichase, I agree with most everything you say, but that statement is completely misleading. A Waratah is far better suited to the stop and start nature of Sector 2 due to its far superior power to weight ratio and better acceleration and deceleration, while the handicapped K Sets perform better in Sector 3 express runs.

Imagine a clapped out Datsun from the 80s, it might take a while to get up to the speed limit, but when on an expressway (a la Blacktown to Parra, Parra to Stratty), it can sit at the limit quite comfortably.

A brand new Merc, while only able to do the same top speed at the Datsun, can accelerate quicker and brake later into each set of lights (a la all stations Inner West and Banko services).

Myself and hundreds of engineers and timetablers would be very pleased to hear of any counter arguments to this.

A01 is currently going through static testing at Cardiff, and A74 arrived from the docks this afternoon.