Railpage low contributions

 
  ozfreight Chief Train Controller

Location: hawthorn 3122
Back in 2011 Railpage had a record 360 punters online...tonight there is about 17 0f us. Why Bevans?
Edward

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What make you sure that is correct? The 17 that is.  The 360 was a peak after an outage if I remember correctly.

But those figures do not make a contribution low.  What we do have now is better contributions and a lot more features.

Regards
Brian
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Back in 2011 Railpage had a record 360 punters online...tonight there is about 17 0f us. Why Bevans?
Edward
ozfreight
Assuming you are hinting they are on Facebook? Not sure a definite conclusion can be drawn as you will need to analyse the type of posts on Facebook to determine if they are discussing different topics to RP and in a better or worse manner. Having watched Facebook and here I think facebook is a bit like Railpage in that some RP threads are better than other RP threads and some FB posts are better than other FB posts. Specialist threads are on FB eg the NSW38 class group but some of that group are here and yahoogroups as well. Some people new to the rail fan internet concept are on FB only but that might be similar to some on Yahoogroups only and not here.

One historical FB group will get less of my time as it works like this; person posts image, 20 posts of I lived near there or my parent worked there or isn't it  a wonderful image. Than add in the mis-informed such as picture of a very well known location and several posts describing it as somewhere else. That thread was later correctly identified by two I recognized from Railpage [not me] Smile  Trouble is that sort of thing has also happened on Railpage so really there is not difference....

Not all FB groups are equal so not right to say FB is better or worse than Railpage as it depends on which interest area you are discussing. By the way, some specialist railway FB groups have revealed some images not seen elsewhere so worth lurking. One rail based FB group owner has a rigid control freak attitude that removes any humour but the opposite is also true as another rail based FB group owner is more interested in being a social site than factual content.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Back in 2011 Railpage had a record 360 punters online...tonight there is about 17 0f us. Why Bevans?
Edward
ozfreight
Simply because it might be a slow news day or there just is not anything to report. We dont want it to end up that Railpage begins to look like some printed media do and TV does, if not enough news create some !
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Completely agree.  We are after quality posts not quantity.  I have looked at Facebook and to be honest I am not that interested in seeing images about trains around the network and people's sightings.  But that is just me.  Some people obviously like that type of chat.  I think we are a little different here.

As for the contributions, the quality of the contributions has in my view lifted since the user clean-out.  I received a lot of positive feedback after some lets say troublesome users left.  Users feel more comfortable posting here.

Finally, with the up and coming features we are installing some services may not be available without contributing to the site.  Who knows.  Might just have to wait and see.

It also makes me chuckle a little on how much information is found on FB which relies on the services we offer here.

Regards
Brian
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Back in 2011 Railpage had a record 360 punters online...tonight there is about 17 0f us. Why Bevans?
Edward
ozfreight
The way we determine who is and isn't online has changed since 2011.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton

It also makes me chuckle a little on how much information is found on FB which relies on the services we offer here.

Regards
Brian
bevans
Couldn't agree more. I am here tonight due a link I clicked in Google search results.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Couldn't agree more. I am here tonight due a link I clicked in Google search results.
574M

Beware of cheap imitations!
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
i am a user of some facebook groups but less and less these days.  the dribble you read in the two groups (main australian groups) can be quite off putting. one post about a sighting and then 10 follow-up comments with nothing useful. i read this week facebook is now sliding in popularity in this great land which teens moving to twitter so i guess less could be more?

what i appreciate about this site is the depth of discussion and the quality of the posts.

the team here really should be congratulated.  this site is one of a kind worldwide. the outstanding contributions made by this site to the overall railway industry is grossly understated.  the locomotive database is excellent.  the railcams just brilliant and the forums well we all love those.

i think the idea of reading news here as a central site is very good.

i for one would like to nominate the team here for a AO for contributions to industry and the growth of railway social media. anyone interested in backing me?
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
i am a user of some facebook groups but less and less these days.  the dribble you read in the two groups (main australian groups) can be quite off putting. one post about a sighting and then 10 follow-up comments with nothing useful. i read this week facebook is now sliding in popularity in this great land which teens moving to twitter so i guess less could be more?

what i appreciate about this site is the depth of discussion and the quality of the posts.

the team here really should be congratulated.  this site is one of a kind worldwide. the outstanding contributions made by this site to the overall railway industry is grossly understated.  the locomotive database is excellent.  the railcams just brilliant and the forums well we all love those.

i think the idea of reading news here as a central site is very good.

i for one would like to nominate the team here for a AO for contributions to industry and the growth of railway social media. anyone interested in backing me?
JimYarin

Could not have been better said.  I for one would second a nomination to reward the guys here.  The dedication of the people and users on this site is just amazing.  Much of the work goes unnoticed and the best part, wait for it, it is FREE!

Most systems of this type in the USA (and there are many but nothing quite like Railpage) charge annual fees for access to webcams and railway images etc.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
with regard to the facebook groups and there are two in particular.  when you enter the group usually the first post which stays at the top is a reference to all the great data available on Railpage.  i have always found this the source of much inner musings since these groups try to differentiate themselves on fb (if that is at all possible and being  a challenge in itself)

how do you offering something different using a platform like fb?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
RP staff post news items on Facebook which is a perfectly legitimate use of social media. The story can be viewed there without visiting this site or can bring people in to Railpage the site with all its varied activities. Until social media came along it may have been less easy to broadcast and to attract new interest without relying on internet search engines.

Frankly I don't care how many people are online. I'd rather see the forums with fewer but more factual and interesting topics than the trolling which has occurred extensively in the past. We can live without the antisocial attitude of some people - in the main they are now either banned or have quietly walked away - as well.

I'm here because it's still a place where I can both learn and contribute to discussions. RP is much more than just the forums though many of us will have started with those and some gone on to develop wider or more specialised interests from their time there.

We have had almost 2 million forum posts made while "wasting time and bandwidth" and can read everything from the latest news virtually as it happens in Australia to snippets of transport interest from just about anywhere in the world.

Keep it up folks. I know the staff put in a lot of time and effort behind the scenes. It would repay that if we the membership maintained this as a place of good repute and of factual comment. Much better in my opinion to have one person posting one piece of factual information than a hundred all frothing over some rumours which they may have overheard or even invented.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
here here. perhaps there should be a new social term called facebook foamers or fbf ?
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
see my post on new features and how it will recognise the contributions of members by their peers.

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11376743.htm
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
The Facebook Groups tend to involve more people posting images and with a few likes and comments.

Railpage tends to be detailed in depth discussion which the Facebook groups tend to lack.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The number of people on any site  will go up and down all the time. If there is a big derailment every man and his dog will get on, if there is nothing happening at all then you start to get what most call dribble by some. I have a web site and even I do not take notice of the statistics on there as to how many view my site at one time. If they want to view it they do, and if they don't oh well. you don't judge a website by how many people are on, but by the content of the site as whole. Just my two bobs worth anyway!
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
As for the contributions, the quality of the contributions has in my view lifted since the user clean-out. I received a lot of positive feedback after some lets say troublesome users left. Users feel more comfortable posting here.

Regards
Brian
bevans

What happened there? Did I miss the clean-out?

Maybe the next round....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What happened there? Did I miss the clean-out?

Maybe the next round....
TheBlacksmith


Only those whom need the clean out were cleaned out.

Actually I have a confession to make, I have been banned from Rail Australia and Abroad the Facebook Group with 384 members.  I have been cleaned out!

Regards
Brian
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The Facebook Groups tend to involve more people posting images and with a few likes and comments.

Railpage tends to be detailed in depth discussion which the Facebook groups tend to lack.
GeoffreyHansen


Depends on the group. I know of two VR groups of which some of the contributors dont know the answer, it's before their time.


Wasn't me Bevans!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Don't get me wrong, I am not angry or upset, I am relieved.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Only those whom need the clean out were cleaned out.

Actually I have a confession to make, I have been banned from Rail Australia and Abroad the Facebook Group with 384 members. I have been cleaned out!

Regards
Brian
bevans

Wow, so I am not the only one who has been thrown out of a forum or two!

I was so baaaad that I got thrown out of a forum I owned, how cool is that? 8)
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Wow, so I am not the only one who has been thrown out of a forum or two!

I was so baaaad that I got thrown out of a forum I owned, how cool is that? 8)
TheBlacksmith


You naughty boy!

It's embarrassing being banned from a Facebook forum of 384 members. Could it not have been a much larger one?
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
The number of people on any site will go up and down all the time. If there is a big derailment every man and his dog will get on, if there is nothing happening at all then you start to get what most call dribble by some. I have a web site and even I do not take notice of the statistics on there as to how many view my site at one time. If they want to view it they do, and if they don't oh well. you don't judge a website by how many people are on, but by the content of the site as whole. Just my two bobs worth anyway!
David Peters


just witnessed very poor form on a facebook group. a young kid harassed on a photo by members. thankfully it has now been removed.
  oldghan Station Master

just witnessed very poor form on a facebook group. a young kid harassed on a photo by members. thankfully it has now been removed.
JimYarin

A place where users can be harassed should be managed and removed immediately. Some of these Facebook groups can be messy. Like with any website which has public posts or social networking the responsibility rests on the administrators and moderators to enforce rules. Administrators and Moderators also have an obligation to set the tone or conduct themselves in ways which set an example for the other users.

I heard recently about an admin on an Australian Facebook group who was arrested in front of other rail fans at a Melbourne railway station for being clever in front of PSO's. Did not set a good example and has a reputation for trouble.

Where possible people in control need to show restraint and good grace.

Specifically on the subject of contributions this site is an outstanding leader.  Posts are informative and colourful. Users are respectful with posts and information enjoyable to read.

Keep up the good work.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
just witnessed very poor form on a facebook group. a young kid harassed on a photo by members. thankfully it has now been removed.
JimYarin

[Ted Bullpit Mode]Somebody should blow Facebook up![/Ted Bullpit Mode] Mr. Green

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