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  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Does anyone know what has happened to the Austrains web site, when I checked today it said "this account has been suspended"

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  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Does anyone know what has happened to the Austrains web site, when I checked today it said "this account has been suspended"
kingfisher
Hmmm, dunno what's going on there.....mine shows the same thing.

Must just be a temporary glitch I reckon.

Roachie
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Maybe John has retired.  Confused

Happy Christmas,

John
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Web site is back up and running again.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
New update on website 5/1 - slight delay with the 81/G/BL's, and next run of NR's order form.
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
I know there have been a few pictures getting around of the 81 class samples and some have physically seen this model but surely it's time to have some production/final pre-production pictures loaded onto the Austrains website. Maybe I am being too precious but as the early price finishes at the end of this month, production pictures would be really handy for some one like me contemplating to buy a couple. What is going on here?

Linton
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

I know there have been a few pictures getting around of the 81 class samples and some have physically seen this model but surely it's time to have some production/final pre-production pictures loaded onto the Austrains website. Maybe I am being too precious but as the early price finishes at the end of this month, production pictures would be really handy for some one like me contemplating to buy a couple. What is going on here?

Linton
linton78

You are not alone in wondering about that, it all seems to be a big mystery for some reason. I have been holding of ordering for the same reason.
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Could not agree with you guys more.
I am one of the ones who has seen the painted samples of the 81 and although I saw them as just that - basic painted samples, I would actually like to see the completed pre-production sample to push me over the line to get a few.
I have no idea why they have left it so long and what the big deal is!
I mean even the folks who released the 82 class waited to last minute but we saw some samples before they landed on our shores.

And its not like anyone is competing with this release - as Powerlines' reboot release is a while away.
Its very annoying for someone who just wants to commit but needs some try before you buy mentality!

Oh well.....each to their own.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

As the saying goes - +1.

I know the argument that has been put forward as to the lack of publically available photos etc is that Austrains didn't want give anything away to its competitors (obviously Powerline). Always have felt that was a load of bollocks. We will soon find out.

Tony
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

As I have said before - I saw the samples and they looked quite good. Was not allowed to take a picture / not really a good opportunity but I was satisfied that a complete shot my be out by now - but I am surprised that its still under wraps.

I'm not stressing too much - but for those who have not seen them I can appreciate the concerned feelings.

I'm still undecided about that Tuscan 8101 - wish they had done it in candy or at least produced a un-numbered version. OTM's 82's sold out as un-numbered.
But I am a little peeved about Austrains opinion on the candy scheme - first only 2 candy 81's then no re-run of the candy 442's.What next?
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
Yes, I too can not understand why there are only two candy 81 numbers being released. There will be mayhem on a few DCC club layouts ha ha. For me personally the candy livery looked quite good on the 81 and may just be the longest lasting colour scheme applied to the class, just. Maybe a few of the freight rail blue units still getting around win that honours.

I really do want to see one of these models before buying. I have only ever bought one Austrains locomotive and that was an 80 class when they were first released. Surely the 81 will be of a better standard than the 80 however, I would really like to make my own mind up about it. If it was Auscision releasing the 81 I would not really care so much about seeing the production model as their other products seem to be quite good.

Hopefully something emerges. If not, my Classic 81s will receive a sound decoder and once again see the light of day.

Linton
  a6et Minister for Railways

Yes, I too can not understand why there are only two candy 81 numbers being released. There will be mayhem on a few DCC club layouts ha ha. For me personally the candy livery looked quite good on the 81 and may just be the longest lasting colour scheme applied to the class, just. Maybe a few of the freight rail blue units still getting around win that honours.

I really do want to see one of these models before buying. I have only ever bought one Austrains locomotive and that was an 80 class when they were first released. Surely the 81 will be of a better standard than the 80 however, I would really like to make my own mind up about it. If it was Auscision releasing the 81 I would not really care so much about seeing the production model as their other products seem to be quite good.

Hopefully something emerges. If not, my Classic 81s will receive a sound decoder and once again see the light of day.

Linton
linton78

While I am no fan of the circus colour scheme, the simple reality is that the 81cl did arrive in total in that scheme, no matter what JE thinks of it.  The Tuscan scheme is a joke really, but I for one would have loved to have seen them in the same scheme as rebuilt 42220 which was the test bed engine anyway, & that sat close to the original 422cl scheme which is the best scheme for the banana box type loco's, of course my opinion only.

That the 81's are being represented in model form by more schemes than the original is quite silly really, & a site more waste of potential sales.  I have also heard that there will be no model of the as delivered types with single air intakes, another silly move, as they still worked that way for some time until mods were carried out, which was not done o/night.

No doubt if the models come up ok to some form of Ultimate 81cl then they will no doubt sell well, & he can rub it all in the noses of model public should he wish to do so, as long as the money comes in, who is the one who ends up laughing.
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

I can see the point against fictional liveries being somewhat silly, however, I don't think it's going to effect sales, quite the opposite. As much as I did like the 81's when they came out, they are way outside the era I'm modelling, BUT, the inclusion of the Tuscan livery was enough to make me order one for two reasons.

Firstly, I was a teenager when Big Bad Bob was sending letters to AMRM in the mid to late part of the 1980's, telling of how 8101 was painted in the Tuscan colours initially before being done in Candy prior to going into service. I was highly amused at the controversy it caused and the anger in some peoples reply letters. Of course being before the internet this played out over a few issues as people had to read, then write a letter and wait for it to be published, so this went on for quite some months, and was at the time the first thing I turned to with each new issue, just to see what would happen next.

Secondly, If I do ever choose to run it with the early stuff (pre 1973), it won't stand out like a sore thumb, and quite frankly if done right should be a very nice looking loco, fictional or not. Having said all of that, I would have almost zero interest in any other model in a fictional livery, as there would be no emotional attachment or desire attached like Big Bad Bob's 81 presents to me.

I do question the lack of releasing any of the early 81's in "as delivered" form with single air intakes, as this could have tempted me to buy a Candy one as well, and whilst that might sound somewhat pedantic, we modellers and collectors can be just that, pedantic sticks in the mud when it comes to these little details!

My real regret is not ordering a sound equipped Candy version as I would have liked to have had 8101 with sound and could have swapped chassis's over, but I guess adding a decoder and speaker shouldn't be too difficult assuming the non DCC and sound ones are sort of DCC ready?
  a6et Minister for Railways

I can see the point against fictional liveries being somewhat silly, however, I don't think it's going to effect sales, quite the opposite. As much as I did like the 81's when they came out, they are way outside the era I'm modelling, BUT, the inclusion of the Tuscan livery was enough to make me order one for two reasons.

Firstly, I was a teenager when Big Bad Bob was sending letters to AMRM in the mid to late part of the 1980's, telling of how 8101 was painted in the Tuscan colours initially before being done in Candy prior to going into service. I was highly amused at the controversy it caused and the anger in some peoples reply letters. Of course being before the internet this played out over a few issues as people had to read, then write a letter and wait for it to be published, so this went on for quite some months, and was at the time the first thing I turned to with each new issue, just to see what would happen next.

Secondly, If I do ever choose to run it with the early stuff (pre 1973), it won't stand out like a sore thumb, and quite frankly if done right should be a very nice looking loco, fictional or not. Having said all of that, I would have almost zero interest in any other model in a fictional livery, as there would be no emotional attachment or desire attached like Big Bad Bob's 81 presents to me.

I do question the lack of releasing any of the early 81's in "as delivered" form with single air intakes, as this could have tempted me to buy a Candy one as well, and whilst that might sound somewhat pedantic, we modellers and collectors can be just that, pedantic sticks in the mud when it comes to these little details!

My real regret is not ordering a sound equipped Candy version as I would have liked to have had 8101 with sound and could have swapped chassis's over, but I guess adding a decoder and speaker shouldn't be too difficult assuming the non DCC and sound ones are sort of DCC ready?
Dazz

Dazz  I was not referring to the fictitious colour scheme as being what could affect sales, as I think that it would actually sell reasonably well, the question is which scheme would it have actually come in?  Reality speaks that by the time of the 81 arrival, the reverse scheme, was the go, & considering that also applied to the 422cl its likely to have been it, or as I suggested the 42220 scheme.

The basis then of what I was referring to is the circus scheme, aka candy,  Its quite well known that JE does not like the scheme & resists bringing out models in that scheme, & as I said, that was the colour of every one of them when the were delivered, so its quite silly to not have a reasonable selection of models in that scheme, especially the originals.

Sure the later & current schemes would be good sellers, but so too would the as delivered models.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I thought the candy scheme sold the least on any of his models, be it 80m442, carriages etc.  So the reluctance is a fact he has amassed, not a dislike for the colours, so had it outsold all others and he hated the scheme, it would not matter. And he'll not share the exact data, just do what he has, voiced his displeasure.

So if you like candy, offer to buy 3000 copies and he'll do it, maybe Smile

concerning the mods to the 81 after delivered. He obviousely wanted to do the loco in later colours without mold variations, so either a original 81 and no later ones,or......

Regards,
David Head

ps if I really want to know , I'll actually ask John next time I see him, he's very approachable !
  a6et Minister for Railways

I thought the candy scheme sold the least on any of his models, be it 80m442, carriages etc. So the reluctance is a fact he has amassed, not a dislike for the colours, so had it outsold all others and he hated the scheme, it would not matter. And he'll not share the exact data, just do what he has, voiced his displeasure.

So if you like candy, offer to buy 3000 copies and he'll do it, maybe Smile

concerning the mods to the 81 after delivered. He obviousely wanted to do the loco in later colours without mold variations, so either a original 81 and no later ones,or......

Regards,
David Head

ps if I really want to know , I'll actually ask John next time I see him, he's very approachable !
dthead

The element of the candy scheme I think is a bit different when it comes to the 81cl as that was the original colour scheme provided on every one of the members in the class, thus its the most approachable scheme for the whole lot of them. As for the 442 & 80cl etc, they were introduced with the limited whisker schemes on all the jumbo's & the first series of the 80cl, with the 2nd batch coming in the reverse scheme, the later applied to many other diesels as well.

Given that the unmodified 81's did see a reasonable time in service prior to the overheating problems on the Ulan services that required the mods to be carried out, its not unreasonable to expect perhaps one number in that lot, given the amount of variations that seem to pervade the current modelling arena.

As for John's view on the candy scheme, he makes his point in regard to it quite openly in his newsletters, as well as when the topic comes up at exh's.

The reality is that the candy or as many railway workers besides myself referred to it, as either the circus scheme, for those with a complimentary feeling about it, while others referred to it as the spew scheme, is one of those schemes that is a love or hate thing, with those modelling the specific period when in operation being the main ones who liked it, & they are also ones who grew up seeing it & can assimilate themselves with it.

So, in reality, those who model pre circus days, would not worry one bit about not having a model of one, unless they had a fad for them, while likely preferring the later schemes instead, if they have to have an 81.
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
I thought the candy scheme sold the least on any of his models, be it 80m442, carriages etc.  So the reluctance is a fact he has amassed, not a dislike for the colours, so had it outsold all others and he hated the scheme, it would not matter. And he'll not share the exact data, just do what he has, voiced his displeasure.

So if you like candy, offer to buy 3000 copies and he'll do it, maybe Smile

concerning the mods to the 81 after delivered. He obviousely wanted to do the loco in later colours without mold variations, so either a original 81 and no later ones,or......

Regards,
David Head

ps if I really want to know , I'll actually ask John next time I see him, he's very approachable !
"dthead"



By building the 81 class, he is marketing a model for people modelling 1980 onwards. The fact is every running number of the 81 class was candy and stayed that way for over a decade. I agree that John is not pushing his own personal colour scheme opinion and of course it would be financially orientated. I don't think its fair comparing the 80 class or 442 class colour scheme sales. To me this is like releasing the 80 class and only doing two models in Tuscan. If we look at Auscisions 422, they released three candy numbers. You can't buy one of those now. I dare say the candy 86 will be sold out before you know it too.

I find it funny in the amount of interest regarding the Tuscan 81. I remember reading AMRM also at the time of the discussion. For me personally I don't get why you would waste a production spot on this colour scheme? I know many others do think its worthwhile and it will most likely sell ok (not sure how many are being produced). In my opinion, if there was room to produce a locomotive in a colour scheme that didn't even exist then surely there was room to produce an un-numbered candy version. It doesn't make sense.

As modellers get younger, I think the popular modelling periods will become later. Maybe the 80s / 90s / 00s era will be the new 60s / 70s era. We can call it the government/private enterprise transition period ha ha.

David, will you be seeing John before the early bird price ceases? If you do could you ask him to put some picture on his website. I know it sounds crazy but many companies use their websites as a place to advertise!

Linton
  a6et Minister for Railways

By building the 81 class, he is marketing a model for people modelling 1980 onwards. The fact is every running number of the 81 class was candy and stayed that way for over a decade. I agree that John is not pushing his own personal colour scheme opinion and of course it would be financially orientated. I don't think its fair comparing the 80 class or 442 class colour scheme sales. To me this is like releasing the 80 class and only doing two models in Tuscan. If we look at Auscisions 422, they released three candy numbers. You can't buy one of those now. I dare say the candy 86 will be sold out before you know it too.

I find it funny in the amount of interest regarding the Tuscan 81. I remember reading AMRM also at the time of the discussion. For me personally I don't get why you would waste a production spot on this colour scheme? I know many others do think its worthwhile and it will most likely sell ok (not sure how many are being produced). In my opinion, if there was room to produce a locomotive in a colour scheme that didn't even exist then surely there was room to produce an un-numbered candy version. It doesn't make sense.

As modellers get younger, I think the popular modelling periods will become later. Maybe the 80s / 90s / 00s era will be the new 60s / 70s era. We can call it the government/private enterprise transition period ha ha.

David, will you be seeing John before the early bird price ceases? If you do could you ask him to put some picture on his website. I know it sounds crazy but many companies use their websites as a place to advertise!

Linton
linton78

Linton.  The other aspect in this besides the actual colour scheme, is if Austrains is producing 8101 in Tuscan, & if its an attempt to bring the BBB story to fruition, then here's the biggy in it.  It should be produced in the original condition, not with the additional air intakes.

When the additional air intake were added, many of them appeared without any form of real paint finish as the SRA wanted them back out into service ultra quick.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

It has to be remembered that on two members of the 80 Class carried the candy paint scheme so it was never going to be a big seller. Now if only someone would release a decent 80 and 442 Class models up to the standard of say Auscisions 422 Class.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Candy coloured locos:
I believe he has mentioned somewhere that he doesn't like the candy scheme or similar.

Doesn't matter what colour scheme he likes. It was what was applied to the rolling stock, not about his personal preference that matters, unless it is stated that a colour scheme may be fictional.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Candy coloured locos:
I believe he has mentioned somewhere that he doesn't like the candy scheme or similar.

Doesn't matter what colour scheme he likes. It was what was applied to the rolling stock, not about his personal preference that matters, unless it is stated that a colour scheme may be fictional.
Newcastle Express

Being the owner of a company does have its privileges & that includes deciding what to produce & what not, & that includes what he likes or doesn't, & the buyer either likes it or doesn't, & that in the end is his prerogative.

What I find strange is that while he decides to do a non operating scheme, & based on some story, whether true or not, it should be applied on the respective model just as the original was with it, that being 8101 as originally delivered & not as later modified in the normal colour scheme, rather than apply it to a modified loco.

He has basically chosen one variant of a locomotive that had 85 in its class, the same with the BL, yet how many BL's actually were produced?  With the Victorian G class he provides models from the 4 series, while I do not know what external differences there were/are in the G's, nor how many G's were produced, seems that there is a wide choice of models across the series, which is good for the Victorian modeller not so good for the NSW modeller.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
David, will you be seeing John before the early bird price ceases? If you do could you ask him to put some picture on his website. I know it sounds crazy but many companies use their websites as a place to advertise!

linton78

Linton,  Next time, not sure. If he attends the Hobson Bay show I'll like many will talk to him then as can any modeller. I'm no one special.

Now many have said the 81 is as modified. So we have two major candy differences, as delivered and as mofified.  When they were ;painted into freightrail, and major mod, and  as the national rail then the  PN - again any mods.

Just wish to know  how many variants there were. If it is just the mods in the candy era, then the original one had misse dout so
Austrains could do the other colours. Imagine the outcry if the  PN  was detasiled as originally delivered !!!!!

Yes many other  manufacturers have done many variants. No I truly do not know austrain's policy, except he will market his option as he likes.

Was it here or on another list that states BBB's 81 was a modifies one as well?

And yet another question, What did the Powerline 81 represent ?

I hink I have a G on order, but are rsking dissapoinment by waiting to see the 81 before I buy, or not  Wink


Regards,
David Head
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Candy coloured locos:
I believe he has mentioned somewhere that he doesn't like the candy scheme or similar.

Doesn't matter what colour scheme he likes. It was what was applied to the rolling stock, not about his personal preference that matters, unless it is stated that a colour scheme may be fictional.
Newcastle Express

Actually it's about what will sell and make him money. John Eassie has been in the industry for a long time, it's his money on the line and he'll do exactly what he, not you, wants. You don't like his game? Then take him on head to head with your own candy 81's with 25 different running numbers. Teach him a lesson, screw him to the wall, kick his butt, make him suffer... And don't forget to do it cheaper too and we'll all be your best buddies.

Meanwhile... Austrains have been taking pre-orders on the 81's for quite a few years now. They've even added an extra livery/number to those first offered all those years ago. If candy was a big pre-order hit John would have added more running numbers to increase his laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank profits. 'Cause that's what smart & successful businessmen do. So you now decide, is John a really naïve businessman who overlooks the most obvious of profit opportunities, or is candy just not as popular as you think it should be.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The first G class locomotives were actually just BL locos with minor internal changes made to them. So really if he is doing the G class he can not only do the series 4 models, but also do the series 1 model by simply painting a BL into V/line colours with appropriate numbers. Five were added to the end of the AN BL order being built by Clyde at the time for V/line.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

The first G class locomotives were actually just BL locos with minor internal changes made to them. So really if he is doing the G class he can not only do the series 4 models, but also do the series 1 model by simply painting a BL into V/line colours with appropriate numbers. Five were added to the end of the AN BL order being built by Clyde at the time for V/line.
David Peters


You really have to spell it out to some people...

"With the Victorian G class he provides models from the 4 series"


As in:  Series 1, Series 2, Series 3 and Series 4.


Look at the order form before passing useless comments.


Paul

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