Chinese Locomotives for SCT Logistics

 
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!

When are the Chinese going to learn that first world for profit operators will not accept the crap that they are foisting off on their comrades at home, or the tinpot politicians that they bribe in the third world?
"jmt"


Presumably when first world for profit operators stop buying them. 
"Typhon"


Nope - expect to see more not less.

Remember the Japanese, then the South Koreans.

China's just warming up - give 'em another 10 years. (They'll own the world by then anyway - certainly this little country Wink)

As for India???

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  jmt Deputy Commissioner



As for India???
"cootanee"


Forget India

Rail is a government monopoly, so locomotive and rolling stock construction is part of the monopoly

Their labor rates are dirt cheap, but the department has 1.4 million employees

The Indian civil service mentality demands that they re-invent the wheel, the department has over 2000 scientists doing basic rail engineering research, which is totally superfluous, as what they are inventing can be purchased over the shelf from the likes of EMD/GE/Bombardier/Alstom, a massive dose of not invented here syndrome.

So their cost base is high. I have seen an overseas quote from RITES for locomotives, they were the highest priced of 7 bids, and were trying to flog a variation of the the ALCo DL560C on NG bogies!

RITES (IR's "commercial" arm) has been a dismal failure in Africa, recently run out of Tanzania and Mozambique for poor performance and overcharging.

It will take India decades to develop a competitive free market locomotive building capacity, with manufacturers capable of going head to head with the likes of those from Brazil, Mexico, and South Africa. The Chinese loco building "corporations" are still state controlled, with pricing on overseas tenders governed by political more than commercial parameters. The Chinese minimum wage is now higher than Mexico, and only $27 per annum under South Africa, over the next decade they will have to work much smarter to hold their position.


  sctman1 Station Staff

Any updates on the delivery dates of the rest of the CSR class locos?I did read somewhere they were due in June 2012.
"Pressman"



The other four units arrive in Adelaide on the 5 of November. 
They will have SBR on the side of them.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
I've seen a few CSR's haul ore trains a few times, very good locos.
  Clyde_AT26HC-2M Chief Train Controller

I've seen a few CSR's haul ore trains a few times, very good locos.
"greasyrhys"


Interesting comment.........
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
It's a foamer comment, not a 'someone who works for SBR" comment....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I've seen a few CSR's haul ore trains a few times, very good locos.
"greasyrhys"


I recall seeing SCT class on ore trains through Port Augusta in September.  Or was it CSR??

Regards
Brian
  M636C Minister for Railways

I've seen a few CSR's haul ore trains a few times, very good locos.
"greasyrhys"


I recall seeing SCT class on ore trains through Port Augusta in September.  Or was it CSR??

Regards
Brian
"bevans"


I saw two CSR class on the ore train on three separate days in September.

On the day before the TAR Centenary and during the celebration the ore train was running behind the same two CSRs, so they can at least do that. The train runs as fast as any ore train I've seen and I noticed that the crew car had changed between the two adjacent days while the locos had not.

M636C
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Dumb question: who or what is SBR? Top Google responses are "Standard Business Reporting" and "Stone Brothers Racing". Smile Google SBR rail and I get "Specialised Bulk Rail" and "Surat Basin Rail". As the Surat Basin Rail link has yet to be built, I assume the former?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I've seen a few CSR's haul ore trains a few times, very good locos.
"greasyrhys"


I recall seeing SCT class on ore trains through Port Augusta in September. Or was it CSR??

Regards
Brian
"bevans"
I saw two CSR class on the ore train on three separate days in September.On the day before the TAR Centenary and during the celebration the ore train was running behind the same two CSRs, so they can at least do that. The train runs as fast as any ore train I've seen and I noticed that the crew car had changed between the two adjacent days while the locos had not.M636C
"M636C"


I stand corrected in that case.  I was there at the TAR Centenary and also recorded the ore train on the down through road 2 during the celebrations.  However, I missed the locomotives in the video.

Thanks for clearing this up as I had thought they were SCT Class.

Regards
Brian

  Maaaark Deputy Commissioner

Location: Pilbara, WA
Dumb question: who or what is SBR? Top Google responses are "Standard Business Reporting" and "Stone Brothers Racing". Smile Google SBR rail and I get "Specialised Bulk Rail" and "Surat Basin Rail". As the Surat Basin Rail link has yet to be built, I assume the former?
"Graham4405"


SBR (Specialised Bulk Rail) is the bulk haulage arm of SCT. Just to confuse things further, their drivers are employed by yet another SCT subsidiary; RailPro Services Razz
  Clyde_AT26HC-2M Chief Train Controller
  2115A Locomotive Driver

Boy, how many notches do you have to give it before it gets going????

A old 1450 or 1460 class Clyde that QR had running around 20 years ago,had more go then that brand new SCT loco has to offer.
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
Did you notice how much independent brake also applied?? Many older loco's you only ever used maybe 4 notches in an 8 notch cotroller!!! Off, 1, 8 & 8 was common.
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
CSR 005/003 working 4PM9 Bolivar to Melbourne tonight, through Mile End 2230, unidentified SCT hauled offline
  trainlover Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide.
CSR 005/003 working 4PM9 Bolivar to Melbourne tonight, through Mile End 2230, unidentified SCT hauled offline
"alcoworldseries"
That is SCT 7 to Tailem Bend only and returns on 6MP9 To Bolivar. 
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth

Just interested, has someone got the split of which loco's are painted SCT, and which ones are SBR please.

Also, have any actually made it to Perth yet, most of the SCT trains operate under darkness ere, so I dont often get to see them.

Cheers

  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.



Just interested, has someone got the split of which loco's are painted SCT, and which ones are SBR please.

Also, have any actually made it to Perth yet, most of the SCT trains operate under darkness ere, so I dont often get to see them.

Cheers

"Wallip"


I think the whole second delivery (CSR007 - CSR010) are painted with SBR logo's. They've run on the Adelaide - Melbourne corridor but I'm not sure if they have run on any others.

  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
No none of the CSR's have gotten to Perth yet, normally 3 on each ore train and a couple for Horsham, and those unfortunately awaiting repairs.
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth



No none of the CSR's have gotten to Perth yet, normally 3 on each ore train and a couple for Horsham, and those unfortunately awaiting repairs.

"alcoworldseries"


Thanks Guys

  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out

Reports CSR007 here in Victoria has:

Cooling fans 'disintegrated' and took out a few other things and has left a nasty mess.


  JNSymes Junior Train Controller




Reports CSR007 here in Victoria has:

[quote:514a60b9b4]Cooling fans 'disintegrated' and took out a few other things and has left a nasty mess.
"speedemon08"


[/quote]

Well that doesn't sound good



  Onelongwhistle Junior Train Controller

I hear now some are through there 10 alternators. Now going to German designs. Chinese ones are crap.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Chinese machinery Is built cheap and crap.


Cars, Trucks, Tractors, etc are marketed on cheap price and features, but they break down very easily and quickly.

Dealers/Traders/Wholesalers who sell the poor quality faulty machines, put the blame back on the customers for not using or maintaining their Chinese machines good enough and take no responsibility for repair or replacement of the machine.
In a lot of cases repair Is not possible (or no one Is willing to touch them due to Issues like the presence of asbestos)

Unhappy customers have to drag them kicking and screaming through the courts to get any money out of them, If the customer can't or not willing to go down this path they are left with a chunk of unusable scrap metal.
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
I have just seen some pics on Flicker of 4 different CSR locos (001, 006, 009 & 010) in action from early December. Are these locos and possibly others back in action after having the asbestos removed or is the date on the photos wrong?

Matt

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