Adelaide pathologist Heddy Zola wants more squat toilets to address needs of large migrant population

 
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Except here, where everyone else tells the "Romans" what to do - AND seem to get away with it.

Interestingly, you go there and tell them that you want a seat toilet, and they'll tell you for all kinds of cultural reasons where to shove it.

That said, I doubt you'd have the same success here with their response either.

Regards
davesvline

Romans!

Struth, those bl##dy w#gs have finally taken over the joint. Don't tell Ted Bullpitt Laughing

As if the modern WC is unique to Australia Rolling Eyes Still let's beat this up as another us and them thing Mad

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  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Romans!

Struth, those bl##dy w#gs have finally taken over the joint. Don't tell Ted Bullpitt Laughing

As if the modern WC is unique to Australia Rolling Eyes Still let's beat this up as another us and them thing Mad
Groundrelay

No-one said that the modern toilet is unique to Australia, just that we use a "modern toilet" and if people from countries that use a hole in the ground move to Australia then maybe that should learn how to use a modern toilet when they are here.

My 15 y.o. daughter had always wondered why they had those 'do not' sign in public toilets.   Didn't realise that a group of people did not know how to use a toilet properly.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
I was wondering how relevant these signs were: Shocked

  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
This bod should get a real job. Bet he is paid by the taxpayer eventually.Crying or Very sad

I have spent 6 months or so in Europe and Scandinavia in the last few years and I demand that every supermarket there must sell Vegemite.................Exclamation
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
This doesn't disgust me quite as much as the La Trobe University having muslim only toilets.

  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Presumably Latrobe has toilets specifically for Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus et al; after all, it wouldn't do to have discrimination in favour of only one religion, would it?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Presumably Latrobe has toilets specifically for Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus et al; after all, it wouldn't do to have discrimination in favour of only one religion, would it?
Valvegear

I am told they have one specifically in case I ever visit, because no-one else will go near it for a hundred years after.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
This doesn't disgust me quite as much as the La Trobe University having muslim only toilets.
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Braddo

Presumably you've checked out the condition of the toilet to be so disgusted Laughing
I have no idea why they need to have a muslim toilet or how many toilets the place has. Personally I'd like to see all toilets non-secular and non-gender specific - but that would be disgusting Surprised .

People need to get a grip and save their 'disgust' for something that matters e.g. child abuse that is going on everyday in too many Australian homes Mad
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This doesn't disgust me quite as much as the La Trobe University having muslim only toilets.

Braddo


What is to stop anyone walking in a using the facility?  They probably already do!
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It's probably a facility exclusively for Muslim women to wash prior to prayer - depending on the specific sect, they have to go through some kind of washing ritual before they go into their special, segregated prayer rooms.  There's an incredibly complex and specific set of rules for nearly everything in that religion; how to blow your nose, enter a house, board a train, eat, urinate, defecate, sneeze, yawn, break wind... the list goes on forever.  It's definitely recommended for obsessive-compulsive people looking for something to fill up the hours.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
It's probably a facility exclusively for Muslim women to wash prior to prayer ...
don_dunstan

But really who gives a SH#T as long as you have a facility to use...
...depending on the specific sect, they have to go through some kind of washing ritual before they go into their special, segregated prayer rooms. There's an incredibly complex and specific set of rules for nearly everything in that religion; ...
don_dunstan

True it's hard to believe in the 21st century these people aren't as progressive as (some) of us Surprised
Then again what was socially normal behavior here not all that long ago, many would consider bizarre and even barbaric today (let alone disgusting Wink )
Here and around the world you have 'conservatives' all consumed in protecting social and cultural purity. We see Islamic fundamentalism gaining momentum in the countries where it is the predominate faith. In the west 'liberal' values are no longer in vogue and just as in those 'Islamic' countries, the ultra conservatives are a growing force. History has shown where all this intolerance and paranoia leads Mad
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
People need to get a grip and save their 'disgust' for something that matters e.g. child abuse that is going on everyday in too many Australian homes Mad
Groundrelay

That's OK though as that kind of behaviour is sanctioned by most Christian churches Razz
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
That's OK though as that kind of behaviour is sanctioned by most Christian churches Razz
"bingley hall"
Not to mention the arranged marriages of 12-16 year old girls in the Muslim culture?
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

That's OK though as that kind of behaviour is sanctioned by most Christian churches Razz
bingley hall


As, I am sure, they will be found responsible for the recent case of female circumcision too.

Craig W
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
As, I am sure, they will be found responsible for the recent case of female circumcision too.

Craig W
CraigW

If they were Coptic Christians, then you would probably be correct.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
True it's hard to believe in the 21st century these people aren't as progressive as (some) of us Surprised
Then again what was socially normal behavior here not all that long ago, many would consider bizarre and even barbaric today...
Groundrelay

The thing that gets up my nose is the ultra-conservatives who move to Australia and then expect that our country should allow them to do anything even when it contradicts the laws of our country.

Those people want it both ways: They want to cherry pick the aspects of Western lifestyles the like while expecting us to ignore their contraventions of our laws, like forced teenage marriages to close relatives.

This is one topic I heartily agree with Andrew Bolt on: If you choose to come to this country you need to accept that where your culture or faith contravenes our laws then Australian laws come first. If you don't like the fact that it's a liberal democracy with laws against some of your cultural beliefs then don't come here or move to a country where your cultural practices are endorsed.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Half the trouble are the Australian 'do-gooders' who bend over backwards to 'offer' these sort of cultural things to these people. 'Come here - we will make it just like home for you'!
Apart from those of us who were born here there are millions and millions of Australians of many faiths who were born overseas who are a credit to this country and have adapted to what is now the Australian culture in all things.
It's time some people here woke up to themselves. If they don't want to be Australian they can return to the country 'whence they came'. Alternatively they can just bugger off.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Half the trouble are the Australian 'do-gooders' who bend over backwards to 'offer' these sort of cultural things to these people. 'Come here - we will make it just like home for you'!
Apart from those of us who were born here there are millions and millions of Australians of many faiths who were born overseas who are a credit to this country and have adapted to what is now the Australian culture in all things.
It's time some people here woke up to themselves. If they don't want to be Australian they can return to the country 'whence they came'. Alternatively they can just bugger off.
YM-Mundrabilla

Exactly. If I were you I would get onto your Federal MP straight away and get them to sponsor a bill forbidding the use of squat toilets in Australia. I'm sure the well known Boer, Andrew Bolt would be more than happy to give it his support.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Half the trouble are the Australian 'do-gooders' who bend over backwards to 'offer' these sort of cultural things to these people. 'Come here - we will make it just like home for you'!
Apart from those of us who were born here there are millions and millions of Australians of many faiths who were born overseas who are a credit to this country and have adapted to what is now the Australian culture in all things.
It's time some people here woke up to themselves. If they don't want to be Australian they can return to the country 'whence they came'. Alternatively they can just bugger off.
YM-Mundrabilla

Get a grip people. Having worked for many years with people of various races and cultures I never came upon anyone POO POOing the WCs we have here.
Now back to this us and them thing.
Think back about how accommodating we were to the indigenous culture for much of white settlement. How Irish convicts here were flogged if they were caught conducting a Roman Catholic mass. Not long ago 'wog food' wasn't part of Australian culture (for some of you it still isn't). Of course we are now much more 'civilised' (what year did that happen Laughing )
Demonising one culture over another always works well. It simply proves the same sort of bigotry and ignorance is still alive - you just need someone to start scratching that scab Rolling Eyes . Regardless of whether one finds comfort in an ayatollah or an abbott they're just two sides of the same coin Surprised
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Regardless of whether one finds comfort in an ayatollah or an abbott they're just two sides of the same coin Surprised
Groundrelay

Flogging the Irish because they're conducting mass can't be compared to forcibly marrying your daughter to your brother's son; I can understand how what I said could be interpreted as intolerance but I'll repeat it so I'm clear:

If the law says you can't do it then you can't do it.

We have to be able to firmly distinguish between when we are genuinely being culturally-insensitive and when we're going too far in allowing people license to hurt others or conduct themselves in a manner that is racist or discriminatory. The whole reason why this country (and much of the West) is successful and draws people from other countries is because we follow the rule of law and the law comes first.

ON the original topic, I really don't mind if someone decides to construct a building with squat plates in it - as long as it isn't made a requisite of a the building code so they HAVE to be provided just in case someone wants one!  That's just plain silly.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Flogging the Irish because they're conducting mass can't be compared to forcibly marrying your daughter to your brother's son; I can understand how what I said could be interpreted as intolerance but I'll repeat it so I'm clear:

If the law says you can't do it then you can't do it.

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don_dunstan

So we went from indignation over a particular design of toilet to forced marriages. Taking about a sense of proportion Confused

Fortunately Australia's society has evolved (no more floggings, stolen generations and abused children etc). In 2014 the country is pretty much a 'liberal democracy'. Arranged marriages (still practiced in many cultures - not just Islamic) are now illegal here because it goes against the individual freedoms and rights most of us want to see - that's VERY VERY GOOD. Smile

Now freedoms and rights are fragile stuff. It doesn't sit well with small minded tightRsed types and the THEM and US thing is their weapon of choice - that's VERY VERY BAD. Sad
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The Latrobe Uni thing is highly ironic.  A few years ago they converted a lecture theatre into a Muslim Prayer Room (with Men and Women segregated of course).  And where is it located?  Right next to the humanities department which had the reputation in the 1970-80s of being a veritable hotbed of radical feminism.  i.e The epicentre of such thinking here in Australia!

It's kind of like much of Scandinavia these days.  A history of radical Western Socialism on one hand, and now serious problems with non-assimilation on the other....

Toilet bowl design is a minor issue in comparison.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
So we went from indignation over a particular design of toilet to forced marriages. Taking about a sense of proportion Confused

Fortunately Australia's society has evolved (no more floggings, stolen generations and abused children etc). In 2014 the country is pretty much a 'liberal democracy'. Arranged marriages (still practiced in many cultures - not just Islamic) are now illegal here because it goes against the individual freedoms and rights most of us want to see - that's VERY VERY GOOD. Smile

Now freedoms and rights are fragile stuff. It doesn't sit well with small minded tightRsed types and the THEM and US thing is their weapon of choice - that's VERY VERY BAD. Sad
Groundrelay

It's all being discussed in the context of what we should accept here (in the name of tolerance and acceptance of people's cultural differences) and what should NOT be accepted because it's against the law and/or hurts people.

ON the topic of arranged marriages, there was a really interesting Four Corners about that last year and it's alarmingly common in this country.  People who perpetrate these things do so in full knowledge that they would be punished if discovered so they keep it very quiet but it still goes on - it's usually carried out on the pretext of a visit to the 'old country' in which the victim suddenly finds themselves married to a complete stranger at 14 or 16 and they have to then bring their 'husband' or 'wife' back to Australia on a spousal visa.

As Carnot points out, it's interesting to see the conflict happening particularly over the acceptance of Islam in Western nations. On the one hand, some people want to be seen to be as accepting as possible over these cultural differences but on the other hand there are aspects to the Islamic culture that are undeniably at odds with the western liberal tradition.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The article is BS, they are not the prefered (squatty) toilet they are just based on a cheap old design that replicates smeg in the rice paddie.

Go anywhere in SE Asia that is new (and I have lived in apartments in SE Asia and India and Middle East) and typically they don't install these types of toilets any more. Spent 13mth in India, used a sqatty once or twice, once in Oman in a park (they are backward). Even Indian trains in the back blocks have one of each and a amusment park I took my kid to again in back blocks off India and far away from Tourist route had both a western and squatty toilet in males.

If you move to Australia, I don't see why Australian business needs to install both dunnies. By the time they have got to work they had had to have had a few smeg and hopefully worked it out. Yes here at my work in Dubai we have have signs on the back of the toilet doors to say don't squat on the (western style) toilet. But thats because we are dragging out labourers from the rice paddies of India and Phillipines. These same people in general won't get work in Australia as they are not qualified to meet the high criteria required for a work Visa. If I have to train someone to use a western toillet, then perhaps the best thing to do is call it quits now and drop them off at the airport.

Of note, I was recently in Paris Disney if I recall and a group of Indian's came into the toilet and just stood there until the older guy of the group looked like he escorted them to the cubical. I mentioned this to my wife and wondered how the hell can someone from India who has not been exposed to a western toilet afford to go to Euro Disney?

However what is cilvilised is the hose. Indian's and Arab's like to hose the whole bloody cubical, but in a trained hand and used by someone not expecting some else to mop the toilet after they have left. It does make for easier cleaning up when used with toilet paper (not left hand like SE Asia/India).

I would suggest this "professor" (used lightly) focus on what he's paid to do.

regards
Shane
  Carnot Minister for Railways

ON the topic of arranged marriages, there was a really interesting Four Corners about that last year and it's alarmingly common in this country. People who perpetrate these things do so in full knowledge that they would be punished if discovered so they keep it very quiet but it still goes on - it's usually carried out on the pretext of a visit to the 'old country' in which the victim suddenly finds themselves married to a complete stranger at 14 or 16 and they have to then bring their 'husband' or 'wife' back to Australia on a spousal visa.
don_dunstan

It's probably best to distinguish between "Forced" and "Arranged" marriages.  I know of quite a few people in arranged marriages.  They weren't under-age and remain happily married years later.  Often they had a choice of "Yes" or "No" before the wedding.  It's common in many cultures and religions.

While forced marriages are often under-age, they have no choice, and are dodgy as (physical abuse is common).  First cousins are sometimes involved....

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