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  frosty Junior Train Controller

Thanks Frosty - your post has cleared a few things up in my mind.
If your sources are accurate ( I don't doubt that ) , the Bicentennial version inclusion down the track is great news.
Also more possible road numbers is another positive .

Now we can just wait for the pictures.
5711

I have only prepared a data pack on 8120 and 8172, still waiting on quotes etc. Nothing is confirmed!
JE wants this project out as much as the modellers, if not more!
In terms of the very first series as built 8101-8126. This variation existed from September 1982 for about 6 months. In terms of the life of the 81 class, this represents 6 months out of 30 years! The candy version being modelled by Austrains is 8127-8180 as built and 8101-8126 as modified. If enough people want this variation, tell John. The tool could possibly be modified to make this if there is demand. He does record what people request, hence the jumbo re-run having FR blue and not candy. More people wanted this and bothered to tell him, rather than those who wanted candy.
FR blue body has double engine room doors and a small door at one end.
PN body has the FR variants and the body side steps sealed up. (Could be other bits, this was off the top of my head)
In terms of candy sales. None of us know how many candy units Auscision made in their 422 and 73 runs. They may have made very few, I dont know. Unless this is known, the fact these sold out quickly does not indicate they are most popular. Same with the Traino 44. I recall with the 2nd run of 442 class, we were selling the last of the run, mostly candy, at $79. And they still took time. Same with the 80 class.
Candy is what I model. I would prefer much more in candy, but it is not my money and the man whose money it is, has been burnt.

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  M636C Minister for Railways

The last 4 81's were built from spare parts, If I remember correctly and they had a different configuration of engine room doors on the sides of them making them slightly different again to the rest of the class. So not all 81's are the same. Even after having the air inlets lowered on them!

So watch out for numbers 8181-8184 they will not match the rest of the class! I hope Austrains are aware of this fact as well. Also these last 4 were never painted candy colours ether being issued in Rail Freight blue.

Sources of info here are the books Diesel and electric locomotives of the NSWGR vol 2 by M. Morahan on page 131 and also the book An Australian locomotive guide by Peter Clark and as a cross reference I also double checked as much as possible with another book Locomotives of Australia by Leon Oberg.
David Peters

David,

While 8181 to 8184 were different when built, all 81 class had those modifications incorporated when they were upgraded at Kelso at the time they were painted in Freight Rail blue. A couple of 81 class were painted blue before upgrading (8172 was one I recall) but even these were upgraded eventually.

The changes the last four 81 class were the double engine room door (the same change between G-2 and G-3 units) and louvres on the roof angle next to the dynamic brake grids. Both of these were to assist in cooling the engine room to reduce the time taken to work on the locomotives after coming out of service.

But since 8181 to 8184 entered service in blue, the louvres and the double door never appeared on locomotives in the Candy scheme, only on Freight Rail blue and subsequent schemes.

It is worth pointing out that the early 81 class with high air intakes were modified very early to the lower air intake (off the top of my head 8118 was the first modified) so all 81 class ran in Candy with the low air intake. But only low numbered 81 class ran with the high intake.

Since Austrains are to make three versions of the 81, that should cover the main variations. It appears from the previous post (made at the same time as mine) that the high air intake won't be covered. This was not done by Powerline either but I think the AR Kits 81 model had the high air intake.

One other point from an earlier post. All the 81 class, the BL and G-1 use the AR-16 alternator which is nearly twice the size of the AR-11 used in later G class. The AR-11 uses internal series parallel switching between two machines to provide both the high voltage and high current required by the full parallel motor connections (needed by the super series wheel slip system).

I'm pleased you use my book.

Peter
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I have been to both Canberra exhibitions and Liverpool the last two years and have never seen them on display despite looking closely.
kingfisher

That's because lots of other people kept picking up the models to examine them closely! In the off chance you can't find samples you'd expect to be on display it's a simple matter of asking John or others on the stall if he bought the sample along. Ask nicely and he's more than happy to show his upcoming models, half the time he'll motion towards the person next to you and you'll see someone else is giving the model a thorough examination.

Just a few weeks before the Austrains FS/BS carriages were announced at Liverpool the same samples had been sitting at Caulfield in full public view for 3 days yet next to no one noticed them and when I did spy them I took some pics and said I won't mention them unless someone else does, no one else did so my pics and info didn't get mentioned here. Similarly Auscision, SDS and others have had unannounced items sitting in plain site and they are not noticed by the great majority. Sometimes I mention these things, usually I don't even do a cryptic clue about them. There are a *lot* of models in the unannounced pipelines!
  ANDL36Y Train Controller

Was this posted earlier? Unpainted Austrains Mk II G class sample... if that helps at all

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  a6et Minister for Railways

I noticed that a few people refer to the candy livery as 'circus' livery. Was this ever the case as I have always known that particular livery as 'candy'.
I think the reverse scheme was known by the late author Ron Preston as 'yellow fronted' or something to that effect.

Having seen the sample without the extra's added ( handrails/pilots etc ), I imagine the quality will be top of the line and comparable to the DL if not better.
I agree with the comments of a6eT that the mechanics of the engine and the possible axle wear issue could be carried thru - we hope not but still it could be a threat.
5711

The term circus was much an inhouse reference as many who worked on the railways referred to it as the circus scheme.  The reasoning was the multi coloured & in those opinions quite gaudy, but then again after the years of changes in the railways along with the many changes in names, that began around 10 or so odd years before the 81's hit the scene, under another new administration & name, the name was coined from the painted faces of clowns who acted out their show in between the ring master, whom in many cases were also changed throughout the program.

When one looks back to those days starting with Shirley, it was much like a 3 ring circus with empty tents. As the tents were pulled down & the road circus went on its way, you could see the bright & gaudy colours that adorned their covered trucks.

The so called revers colour scheme or yellow fronted was more applicable to what was seen on the 45 & 48's as they had a heck of a lot more noticeable yellow to the top of their noses. The scheme was the brain child of David Hill, probably one of his better thoughts after one of his night outs, at a meeting he canvassed the idea & need for a more visible front end to trains for safety reasons, when asked about the remainder of the engine, he did not care what the rest was painted as long as the majority was yellow.

The strange part, well not for him I guess, was that he refused to accept the colour that was applied to the 422cl, which had a larger proportion of yellow to it than came out on them when they copped the reverse colour, & to many the 422's had the most pleasing scheme of all.  Its actually a wonder he did not want a complete yellow nose on 3801.
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
Linton, I am part of the Austrains R&D team and work on the stand at most Sydney/Canberra exhibitions.
Openly means on the table at the front for anyone to pick up and look at. And many people did. At that time, these were the first painted samples we had for review.
Agreed it is time for a production model to be displayed/photographed etc. JE on leave at the moment, hopefully when he returns these will have arrived.
"frosty"


Good to hear from someone in the know then. Thanks for the information. JE being on leave is completely understandable. I look forward to a few pictures in the future.

Did not get to see the models at the exhibitions unfortunately.

Thanks again,

Linton
  Tom66 Assistant Commissioner

So I take it that the 81's won't be arriving before Chinese New Year? Any idea when they are expected?
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
Pretty sure the fact that the 81's are not being marketed under the Basix banner means they should be of a reasonable quality. In any case, it's most likely they will be "the best" 81 Class you will be able to buy for quite some time anyway, so to me it's a case of "do I want an 81" or not, if the answer is Yes, I buy an Austrains one and enjoy it as it's the best one available for now.

Even if it isn't "quite" as good as say an Auscision 422 (which we don't know anyway), so what, are you going to not buy one and wait to see if someone else is going to do a better one in five or ten years time? I can appreciate not wanting to buy one of the off chance that it is total smeg, but is that really likely?

To me the lack of knowing if the Candy ones will have the as delivered or modified body is of more importance (if you are modelling an era prior to them being modified), and the lack of actual news on that is somewhat annoying, as I would most likely be tempted to buy a Candy one as well IF it was in as delivered style.

Having said all of that, I can appreciate if you are super fussy that you don't want to buy sight unseen in case it isn't up to your standards, but then having being buying trains since the Lima 422 days, maybe I'm slightly more appreciative of the general standard of models we get these days (Basic range included to a degree), as they are mostly all very good models, and it's just that some are slightly better than others when looked at closely.
"Dazz"


As I primarily model the 50s, the Austrains 81 will have to be of a good enough standard for me to spend the money. I already have a few classic 81s and these will do me if the Austrains product is no better. I still have a little 1980s stuff and have spent many hours in PN 81s so wouldn't mind a PN liveried model as well. I will not buy it if it's not for me.

My gripe is purely one of confusion due to there being no public examples available (Frosty has clarified a few things there) and I will probably end up paying an extra $50. What's $50 hey, one quarter of a loksound V4 ha ha.

Everything I wanted to know has been answered. Just have to wait now and maybe get in early enough for a discount.

Linton
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Linton,

The proprietor of Austrains is on holiday until 15th January according to his site.  I would say there might be a better than even chance he will put up a photo of the 81 when he comes back next week.  I agree with the basis of your gripe, but wonder how much a photo would really help.

This morning quite coincidentally I was looking through an AMRM from 1986, as one does, and the Mailbag in the issue included a long letter from John R Eassie, Managing Director, Trax Model Products Pty Ltd.  His company has changed in the past 28 years, but the views he espoused in that letter are not far removed from how he thinks today - or at least the way I think he thinks.  Worth a read if you can lay hands on Issue 137 Vol 12 No 8 (April 1986).

The letter illustrates John's realistic appreciation of the model rail scene in Oz.  Nevertheless he has managed to run a business with some success for a long time.  The hobby would be the poorer if John had not committed his talents and resources to developing and running Austrains over recent decades.  Might I say less entertaining as well?  John does seem to delight in stirring the punters.

By way of disclaimer, I do not know John Eassie personally.  I have spoken with him at exhibitions and bought a few things from him.  When you talk to him he comes over much the same way as in the letter I read this morning.  One thing you can say for John, he is consistent.

Best regards,
John
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller


The proprietor of Austrains is on holiday until 15th January according to his site. I would say there might be a better than even chance he will put up a photo of the 81 when he comes back next week.
John_Bushell

Sorry, don't share your optimism.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Sorry, don't share your optimism.
kingfisher

I think Frosty, who I can vouch for,  will see what he can do to satisfy all with photos, if he can.........

Regards,
David Head
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
Linton,

The proprietor of Austrains is on holiday until 15th January according to his site.  I would say there might be a better than even chance he will put up a photo of the 81 when he comes back next week.  I agree with the basis of your gripe, but wonder how much a photo would really help.

This morning quite coincidentally I was looking through an AMRM from 1986, as one does, and the Mailbag in the issue included a long letter from John R Eassie, Managing Director, Trax Model Products Pty Ltd.  His company has changed in the past 28 years, but the views he espoused in that letter are not far removed from how he thinks today - or at least the way I think he thinks.  Worth a read if you can lay hands on Issue 137 Vol 12 No 8 (April 1986).

The letter illustrates John's realistic appreciation of the model rail scene in Oz.  Nevertheless he has managed to run a business with some success for a long time.  The hobby would be the poorer if John had not committed his talents and resources to developing and running Austrains over recent decades.  Might I say less entertaining as well?  John does seem to delight in stirring the punters.

By way of disclaimer, I do not know John Eassie personally.  I have spoken with him at exhibitions and bought a few things from him.  When you talk to him he comes over much the same way as in the letter I read this morning.  One thing you can say for John, he is consistent.

Best regards,
John
"John_Bushell"



I will pull the issue out and have a read. I love having a reason to pull old AMRM issues out. I don't know John personally either but have heard many tales.

They say a picture speaks a thousand words. When I saw Auscisions 46 class I was absolutely impressed.

We do need people to build and finance models and he needs people to buy them.

Linton
  Tom66 Assistant Commissioner

How about just telling us when the models are actually going to arrive?
  a6et Minister for Railways

I will pull the issue out and have a read. I love having a reason to pull old AMRM issues out. I don't know John personally either but have heard many tales.

They say a picture speaks a thousand words. When I saw Auscisions 46 class I was absolutely impressed.

We do need people to build and finance models and he needs people to buy them.

Linton
linton78

Would it be a breach of copyright or something to have the letter scanned & put here?

When we moved house a few years ago I gave all my old AMRM's to someone else.
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
Would it be a breach of copyright or something to have the letter scanned & put here?

When we moved house a few years ago I gave all my old AMRM's to someone else.
"a6et"


I will dig it up tomorrow, scan the letter and send it to you Col. I am sure there is nothing wrong with that.

Linton
  a6et Minister for Railways

I will dig it up tomorrow, scan the letter and send it to you Col. I am sure there is nothing wrong with that.

Linton
linton78

Thanks Linton.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Was this posted earlier? Unpainted Austrains Mk II G class sample... if that helps at all

ANDL36Y

Many thanks for those photos. They are the first clear photos I've seen and certainly confirm in my mind that with detail bits like the air hoses, wipers, mirrors etc, they are worthy of my money (especially at only $245 each). An order (for the 2 Candy 81s) will be on the way.

However with these photos I can't see any reason why something similar could not have been posted on the Austrains site some time ago. Not all of us and get to exhibitions and I would suggest that would apply to a significant portion (if not majority) of Austrain's potential customers.

Tony
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Might I say less entertaining as well?
"John_Bushell"
Certainly so! The man's got broad shoulders, and he's not affraid to use them.
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

Not an Austrains sample, but someone's take on a reverse 81, followed by the original Big Bod Bob version (which I very much like).



  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Many thanks for those photos. They are the first clear photos I've seen and certainly confirm in my mind that with detail bits like the air hoses, wipers, mirrors etc, they are worthy of my money (especially at only $245 each). An order (for the 2 Candy 81s) will be on the way.

However with these photos I can't see any reason why something similar could not have been posted on the Austrains site some time ago. Not all of us and get to exhibitions and I would suggest that would apply to a significant portion (if not majority) of Austrain's potential customers.

Tony
brissim


Are they worth $245? One would think/hope they are detailed to the standard of the current crop Surprised
Mind you it's not like there's a lot of competition. If you want one $245 is as good as it gets.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
My spies tell me Austrains have painted samples of the BCPL and related VR passenger carriages on display at Corio exhibition, along with some air-freighted G class for sale. Should lead to a nice site update next week.
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Check the other thread for pics of the G....looks nice.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
you can buy a FA G from Austrainat thecorio show NOW!

and they had a display case this time, with sample if the 81, bl G and the PL cars........

http://dth.railpage.org.au/dpgal/corio2014/gallery.htm





basically the 81 shells were there, as were BL  G class in other colours.  ThreS wagon was there as was the PL series cars for us Victorians.  Surprise !


Regards,
David Head
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Thank you David - great shots.

That Blue and Gold G Class looks wrong - sorry, love the G class but just can't stomach that scheme on that design. They did an awesome job on the mould.....I'll wait for the V/Line one!
  bjviper Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisvegas
David, did you happen to get any closeups of the NSW rollingstock in the cabinet?

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