Condition of DD592

 
  Westrail_Q_301 Junior Train Controller

G'day all

Not sure if there is a thread already on this, but I was curious to know.

Does anyone know the condition of DD592? Can it steam or is its boiler to far gone?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Regards.

Ned.

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  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
My understanding is that the boiler has become out of ticket, simply because it wasn't renewed. The loco also has developed one or two hotboxes.

Andrew
  Westrail_Q_301 Junior Train Controller

Thanks for the info. So technically if it were certified and passed, it could steam again?

Ned.
  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
Hasn't turned a wheel in nearly 20 years (damn...getting old Smile ).. would need a decent overhaul I'd think. And as the boiler hasn't been filled in that period it may not be in good shape anymore.
  warienga Chief Train Controller

Location: Perth
592's boiler ticket expired and the loco was stopped at that point. On it's last trip it also sufferred 2 hot bearings, one each on separate main dring axles. I wasn't on this trip but I did meet the train on arrival back at Midland Station and witnessed the overheating first hand. Observations from those on the trip suggested that the loco was not oiled during stops on the journey and so eventually the bearings simply ran dry - keeping in mind that all activities surrounding the operation of the loco were in Westrail hands back at that time, as was the ownership of the loco.

Aftrer a period of storage at Forrestfield the loco was nursed over to Bassendean and placed on display, dry and undercover, where it has remained since.

Basic cursory inspections by the boiler inspector on a couple of occasions has indicated that the boiler seems in OK condition from what can be seen while the loco remains fully assembled. Before the boiler could be considered for re-ticketing, the loco would need a stripdown with cab, side tanks and boiler cladding fully removed in order to allow a full and comprehensive inspection.

The overheated bearings and axles would also need attention, i.e a lift to release the axles for re-machining if they have been scored and to allow the bearings to be re-metalled and matched to their journals.

At present there are no plans to re-activate 592, but thats not to say it can't happen in the future.

Cheers, Warienga
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
At present there are no plans to re-activate 592, but thats not to say it can't happen in the future.

Cheers, Warienga
warienga

Hi Warienga,

Cheers for the info on Dd592.....

Hopefully we can allow a little thread drift here for this question.....apart from the S class, what other Bassendean locomotives would/could be viewed as possible candidates to restoration to operation?

Brett
  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
An interesting question there burt077.

Whilst in other states there has been a few different classes return to steam over the past 20 years or so, however here it has been the W's only. The PM was great to see in the 90's, and whilst the S promised to add some variety it only got out a few times, and the DD after many years of great service finally retired. The G's I'd suspect are a long way off steaming again.

It would be great to see a locomotive from the 1910 - 1940 era run again (P, F, or E) as these haven't yet seen use since the end of steam. As with all things though without money and somewhere to run them its more a pipe dream than anything else.

I do remember some years ago air being run through the Es (??) and the turbo fired up and the lights worked, much to the surprise of many!
  WAGR Chief Commissioner

Hi Warienga,

Cheers for the info on Dd592.....

Hopefully we can allow a little thread drift here for this question.....apart from the S class, what other Bassendean locomotives would/could be viewed as possible candidates to restoration to operation?

Brett
burt007

Now this is a Geoffrey Robertson Hypophetical. With unlimited finance and a employed work force, with todays technology probably the majority could be returned to operational condition, as the man said Never say Never
  3981 Assistant Commissioner

At one stage DD592 was listed as a second loco as well as the S to be part of the Wheatbelt Heritage Rail Project. Is this not still the case?
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
Now this is a Geoffrey Robertson Hypophetical. With unlimited finance and a employed work force, with todays technology probably the majority could be returned to operational condition, as the man said Never say Never
WAGR

Yes a very hypothetical question that is too open ended Smile

I agree Cris....would be nice to see "something different" for sure....

Now must go check my lotto ticket to see if I can fund it Wink

Brett
  Jarroo Chief Commissioner

At one stage DD592 was listed as a second loco as well as the S to be part of the Wheatbelt Heritage Rail Project. Is this not still the case?
3981


Lets get the first loco going first lol

I don't think this current generation will see the DD running again, unless there is a six figure Lotto grant or Govt. money.
  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
At one stage DD592 was listed as a second loco as well as the S to be part of the Wheatbelt Heritage Rail Project. Is this not still the case?
3981

For starters the only steamer set for WHR will be S549. However, this doesn't rule out the use of Dd592 in the future.
  Jarroo Chief Commissioner

For starters the only steamer set for WHR will be S549. However, this doesn't rule out the use of Dd592 in the future.
andrew1996

Being realistic, the lack of $$$ will rule out any return to steam of Dd592
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
I could be wrong but wasn't one of the tank(dd?) loco's being earmarked for boulder?
  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

The one at the Gosnell Railway Markets is the one, I have good reason to believe that the one at Bassendean was never earmarked for Boulder.
  Jarroo Chief Commissioner

At one stage DD592 was listed as a second loco as well as the S to be part of the Wheatbelt Heritage Rail Project. Is this not still the case?
3981

You are correct, Dd592 was listed as being overhauled in Stage 2 of this October 2010 Wheatbelt Heritage Rail Project Strategy & Business Plan, along with two XA locomotives, although I understand an Aurizon AB locomotive has now been acquired.

http://www.northam.wa.gov.au/assets/documents/document-centre/agendas/Council-Meetings/13.1.1-Country-Local-Government-Fund-Regional-Allocation-Attachment.pdf
  3981 Assistant Commissioner

Thanks Jarroo. Yeah that's the article that I based my question on. Perhaps andrew1996 should go have a read.

Great to hear that an early GM is being set aside for it. Was afraid that they'd all end up being sold by Aurizon and none be left for preservation.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
Thanks Jarroo. Yeah that's the article that I based my question on. Perhaps andrew1996 should go have a read.

Great to hear that an early GM is being set aside for it. Was afraid that they'd all end up being sold by Aurizon and none be left for preservation.
3981

apart from donating the AB to them aurizon are also painting it for them.
  3981 Assistant Commissioner

That's great news. Good to see them giving back to the community. Hoping it gets painted green and red though.
  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
You are correct, Dd592 was listed as being overhauled in Stage 2 of this October 2010 Wheatbelt Heritage Rail Project Strategy & Business Plan, along with two XA locomotives, although I understand an Aurizon AB locomotive has now been acquired.

http://www.northam.wa.gov.au/assets/documents/document-centre/agendas/Council-Meetings/13.1.1-Country-Local-Government-Fund-Regional-Allocation-Attachment.pdf
Jarroo





Just read this document for the first time.

Can't say I'm impressed by it. There are a lot of "leaps of faith" in the financial figures suggested, the recommended timeline has blown out significantly already, and I think the projected tourist numbers are greatly inflated.

Reads more like its been written to say what people want it to say, not what in reality may happen. The risks have certainly been glossed over way too much for mine.
  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Thanks Jarroo. Yeah that's the article that I based my question on. Perhaps andrew1996 should go have a read.

Great to hear that an early GM is being set aside for it. Was afraid that they'd all end up being sold by Aurizon and none be left for preservation.
3981

Don't worry, I've read the plan...
  Jarroo Chief Commissioner

Just read this document for the first time.

Can't say I'm impressed by it. There are a lot of "leaps of faith" in the financial figures suggested, the recommended timeline has blown out significantly already, and I think the projected tourist numbers are greatly inflated.

Reads more like its been written to say what people want it to say, not what in reality may happen. The risks have certainly been glossed over way too much for mine.
crisfitz

Reminds me a bit of the Leisure Rail prospectus
  Bahnfrend Station Master

Location: Perth, WA
Like crisfitz, I read that document for the first time only yesterday.  I agree that its projections are ambitious.

However, there's clearly a market opportunity for this type of attraction in Western Australia at the moment.  When the HVR and the ARHS tours were in their heyday back in the 1980s, the HVR ran well patronised long distance tours almost every weekend for much of the year, and there were the HVR's Dwellingup operations and ARHS tours as well.  I can also remember the very successful Flying Scotsman / Pendennis Castle visit in 1989.  Nowadays, only the Dwellingup services are still running, in much reduced, almost token, form.

In other parts of the world, eg the UK, preserved railways attract plenty of customers, now more than ever.  The wheatbelt project, when it's up and running, will be operating over a well maintained line that is relatively accessible to Perth (and also to travellers between Perth and Kalgoorlie), and will give people an incentive to visit some attractive wheatbelt towns.  One of those towns, Dowerin, already has quite a high profile due to its annual field day.

You only have to mention the words "Wave Rock" to remind yourself that many people are prepared to drive a long distance to visit a wheatbelt attraction if its profile is high enough.  So I'm still optimistic about the wheatbelt project.
  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
Like crisfitz, I read that document for the first time only yesterday. I agree that its projections are ambitious.

However, there's clearly a market opportunity for this type of attraction in Western Australia at the moment. When the HVR and the ARHS tours were in their heyday back in the 1980s, the HVR ran well patronised long distance tours almost every weekend for much of the year, and there were the HVR's Dwellingup operations and ARHS tours as well. I can also remember the very successful Flying Scotsman / Pendennis Castle visit in 1989. Nowadays, only the Dwellingup services are still running, in much reduced, almost token, form.

In other parts of the world, eg the UK, preserved railways attract plenty of customers, now more than ever. The wheatbelt project, when it's up and running, will be operating over a well maintained line that is relatively accessible to Perth (and also to travellers between Perth and Kalgoorlie), and will give people an incentive to visit some attractive wheatbelt towns. One of those towns, Dowerin, already has quite a high profile due to its annual field day.

You only have to mention the words "Wave Rock" to remind yourself that many people are prepared to drive a long distance to visit a wheatbelt attraction if its profile is high enough. So I'm still optimistic about the wheatbelt project.
Bahnfrend


There is a fair difference to the tours of the 80's and what's being proposed here.

First, they started in Perth. No travel required by the public to access them. In this case it is a 2 hour drive (minimum) - HVTR is considerably closer. And the myth about Kalgoorlie - Perth travel is exactly that - only the grey nomads travel to Kal via Dowerin / Wyalkatchem. I've chased many trains on that line, and very rarely seen any traffic, let alone tourist traffic.

I'm not sure about the market either. ARHS (RHWA) couldn't make a go of it in the 90's, and HVTR had to scale back significantly (for variuos reasons). Bare in mind HVTR have a rapidly expanding tourist / population only 30 mins away (Mandurah) where this scheme does not.

Yes - people do travel to Wave Rock. Because it is Wave Rock. If you want to see a steam train then you can travel for less than an hour to HVTR - with Mandurah and / or Dwellingup as a side visit (and be home for lunch) or take all day to see a steam train out in the middle of nowhere.

I just can't see how the general tourist is going to choose this over HVTR (closer / easier) or Bennett Brook (a lot closer / much easier / wonderful family location).
  Bahnfrend Station Master

Location: Perth, WA
My understanding is that ARHS shut down its tours because DD592's boiler ticket ran out, and HVR reduced its operations mainly because of problems with insurance associated with the privatisation of Westrail.  I agree that the 1980s tours started in Perth, and that the wheatbelt trains won't.  But Goomalling is only about half as far from Perth as the Pichi Richi is from Adelaide, and about the same distance from Perth as the Lithgow Zig Zag is from Sydney.

At least at the beginning, the wheatbelt project only needs enough passengers to run a train once a month.  Pichi Richi trains run about once a week.

I don't see Bennett Brook as a real competitor to the wheatbelt project.  It's a (very) light railway in the Perth suburbs.  HVR is also a very different operation.  What the wheatbelt project will offer is a large steam engine hauling sizeable coaches through attractive wheatbelt scenery on a smooth, modern, well maintained track, in an area that isn't well served by tourist attractions at the moment.  We haven't really had anything like that since Flying Scotsman was here.

With a bit of imagination, it would also be possible to arrange a train link from Perth.  All that would be required is a Prospector ride to Northam, and an extension of the wheatbelt train between Northam and Goomalling.  That probably isn't something that could be done every month, but I think it could be achieved.  Sure, it would be a long day out, but in the 1980s the HVR used to run day trips from Perth to Busselton and Boyup Brook, amongst other places.

In the meantime, you only have to arrange for a tourist operator to run a coach tour to Goomalling once a month and you've got a carriage full of passengers already.

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