24 hour public transport

 
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
at least this would solve the lack of synchronisation between Metro & V/Line timetables........try getting from Lilydale to Bairnsdale on a Sunday morning.......you have to get the first train out of Lilydale to meet the Bairnsdale......if there is a problem or delay with that Metro service you are stuffed......earlier trains on Sunday morning would allow a comfort zone ahead of the "just in time" service

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  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Last down train in the public timetable through Mitcham on a weekday is a 1:44am. First up on a Saturday is 4:49am. That's just 3 hours and 5 minutes without any empty or transfer train workings.
duttonbay


Ha i got schooled Smile
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  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
That sounds like the Lilydale line being the Lilydale line. Stopping all stations except East Richmond, because we wouldn't want our trains competing with cars in a race to the city. Smile

Granted, it becomes 40+ minutes like the train when people clog up the freeway like a bunch of ants all following the exact same direction, but when the freeway is running smoothly, there's no chance of the train winning. All those people at Laburnum, Mont Albert, Chatham, East Camberwell, Auburn and Hawthorn (look at that, a pattern in the stops!) must be grateful for their 10 minute services, just look how packed those stations are every time you go past! No wonder the trains stop every station. Laughing
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
The issue is simple. The people who really need late night transport are those in the middle-outer suburbs visiting the city for which taxis are too expensive. The fare from the city to Sunbury for example can exceed $120, useless unless you have a full cab.

*More Nightriders?

Hell no. The existing network is pathetic, using Sunbury again, with a journey time of 90 minutes to a place only 30 minutes from the city by road. The only way it would be useful would be if the network was significantly altered, and split between inner and outer areas.

*Weekend Timetable?

Saturday and Sunday should share a common timetable as it is no longer the 1930s. There is a soul crushing wait on Sunday morning for the first train for anyone out late. Combined with later services Friday and Saturday the gap becomes far more tolerable.

*24 Hour Service?

Would be great to finally see some concession to people in outer areas - there is absolutely nothing to do out there, so travelling into the city to socialise is a given. Half hourly inner, hourly outer would be a good start. So what if there are no other services available at that time? A $10 cab from the station beats a $120 cab from the city.

And what's with the single extra bus to regional areas?  Is it just a pre-empt to the inevitable regional dummy spit, not really designed for actual use?  Unless they dump straight off the freeway the trip to Bendigo sounds like the equivalent to a horrifying excursion to the outer reaches of a Nightrider bus.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Information on proposed Night Network now live.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Can you believe it you will NOT be able to board or alight from Metro Trains all night services at Southern Cross .

Yes in this day and age there should be Weekend tt that aplies for both  Saturdays and Sundays for Metro, Yarra trams and V/Line.  It can start later and finish earlier on Sundays, BUT the guts of the day timetable should be common to both days .
Not ROCKET SCIENCE  but the most logical passenger  (NOT Customer - shops have customers !!)  improvements are not made by Governments, Ministers, or  PTV .
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

The express services through Southern Cross would lead to confusion by passengers. The station is open for a 24 hour Skybus, and  regional buses will depart at 2 am, but passengers can't connect with these services by train.  Surely the Bourke St entrance to the Metro platforms should be kept open to enable transfers.

Perhaps this is one of the "hidden" costs of PPP's, that for anything not in the original contract the operator can charge and exhorbitant amount. The Southern Cross Station Authority need only provide one staff member to man the Bourke St gate. Security is provided by PSO's paid by the State.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Can you believe it you will NOT be able to board or alight from Metro Trains all night services at Southern Cross .

Yes in this day and age there should be Weekend tt that aplies for both  Saturdays and Sundays for Metro, Yarra trams and V/Line.  It can start later and finish earlier on Sundays, BUT the guts of the day timetable should be common to both days .
Not ROCKET SCIENCE  but the most logical passenger  (NOT Customer - shops have customers !!)  improvements are not made by Governments, Ministers, or  PTV .
kuldalai
And 'guests' come for lunch on Sunday...........
  gmanning1 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Yes in this day and age there should be Weekend tt that aplies for both  Saturdays and Sundays for Metro, Yarra trams and V/Line.



This is pretty much what happens with Sydney trains at least. There are two timetables, one for Mon-Fri, and another for Sat/Sun/PH's.




And the NightRide network is 7 day a week. They are generally hourly services on the longer routes, but do have 1/2 hour frequencies for the short or mid-route terminated services.



As someone who works at all hours and days, it's a godsend, and saves me bucket loads of money each year in cab fares.
  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Extra weekend V/line services coming June/July 2016. Details posted when known.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@kuldalai yes skipping southern Cross is rather ridiculous given that it provides connections to Night Coaches, Skybus and early morning V/line train services.

I also believe that Night Trains should run at least half-hourly or they will not attract enough passengers to be justifiable.

Night Coaches and Night Buses should run to a timetable rather than an on-demand service as this could considerably lengthen journey times, especially on Night Coaches. I would have expected that Night Coaches would run as a multi-tier service similar to rail replacement services. Also, it seems absurd that the towns on the Seymour line miss out on these services - I have no doubt that there will be people on that line - particularly in Wallan and Kilmore - that would spend a night out on the town.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I suppose the closure of Southern Cross is that it's too big and therefore too costly to staff to keep an eye on potential late night trouble-makers. That could be solved though by closing the Collins St end escalators & lifts & concourse so there's no access, locking off the Platforms 1-8 at each end, closing the gate between the Metro area and the VLine area and just having the Burke St Metro Gates open for access.

If this trial is a success, I could see more late night VLine trains added instead of coaches. Even if the Vline portion isn't a success as a whole, Geelong (or at least Wyndham Vale) will probably need late night trains in 3 or 4 years if the Metro portion is a success.

I'm hoping it will be a success, but given the low frequency people just might not decide its worth it. I'm interested in seeing.

Also, as discussed here, why do good transport mapping conventions just go out the window for night transport?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Extra weekend V/line services coming June/July 2016. Details posted when known.
gomer
With Geelong Weekend services since RRL opened with 6 car VL on hourly frequencies have proven totally inadequate to handle demand .  Some 6 car VL have said to have arrived Southern Cross with over twice their 444  seated capacity . Me writes to PTV pointing this out and suggesting that service frequency on daytime Saturdays and  Sundays needs to be stepped up to at least a 40 minute frequency with 6 car sets .  After 6 weeks one gets the typical PTV "fob off"  generic response, impossible to run extra services as all rollingstock committed .  Me writes to higher body within PTV saying this is bs response as if one can run a 20 minute frequency on  Weekdays with 3 car sets, one can obviously run 40 minute frequency on weekends with 6 car sets.  After another month PTV responds  , we were wrong , yes a 40 minute service could be run but we dont have the money .  BUT no indication from PTV given as to if they have or will apply for extra funding to beef up Weekend frequency on the Geelong Line. One really wonders what worth the PTV bureacracy is at times .
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

I suppose the closure of Southern Cross is that it's too big and therefore too costly to staff to keep an eye on potential late night trouble-makers. That could be solved though by closing the Collins St end escalators & lifts & concourse so there's no access, locking off the Platforms 1-8 at each end, closing the gate between the Metro area and the VLine area and just having the Burke St Metro Gates open for access.

If this trial is a success, I could see more late night VLine trains added instead of coaches. Even if the Vline portion isn't a success as a whole, Geelong (or at least Wyndham Vale) will probably need late night trains in 3 or 4 years if the Metro portion is a success.

I'm hoping it will be a success, but given the low frequency people just might not decide its worth it. I'm interested in seeing.

Also, as discussed here, why do good transport mapping conventions just go out the window for night transport?
TOQ-1
A 0200  Geelong road couch via  Tarneit and Wyndamvale is a joke, you will arrive at Geelong in time for Sunday "brunch" if you are lucky .  Given the Geelong line patronage since RRL opening  Geelong should be 3 car VL as 0200  Down. If that is not supported THEN  service  Tarneit & Wyndamvale by connection off  Werribee spark, and Geelong by express coach direct to Lara, then express to Geelong .  Again NOT rocket  science .

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