Grange Line TSR's

 
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
As a regular commuter on the Grange line I have noticed that the train has been persistently running 5 minutes behind schedule due to 7 TSR's between Woodville and Grange:

1) the train will crawl at about 30 kph between Woodville park and Woodville while outer harbor trains go considerably faster.
2) the 35 kph speed between Woodville and port road has a TSR of 15 Kph around the first curve into Holden's loop.
3) the track over port road is limited to 40 Kph instead of the usual 80 kph over level crossings such as tapleys hill road.
4) the track through the golf course is limited to 50 kph instead of 80 Kph due to no safety fence!!! (an accident waiting to happen).
5) the track around the bend into Frederick road level crossing has a TSR of 20 Kph instead of the signposted 50 Kph.
6) the sharper than normal section of line curvature just after Frederick road that was resleepered in 2006 on the golf course side of the line with a noticeable jolt sees trains traversing it at 20 Kph.
7) the extremely sharp section of track over the Charles Sturt avenue level crossing with a signposted speed of 25 Kph but instead with a TSR of 10 Kph due to the sharper than normal curve.

this must be the area on the Adelaide rail network with the most TSR's due to poor upgrades and old rotted wooden sleepers that are so old that some are cracked and even split so the line needs to be resleepered with concrete sleepers, tactile grip installed on the platforms, all level crossings upgraded and a safety fence put in place with automatic gates on the golf course.

Has anyone heard anything on the grapevine about a possible grange line upgrade?

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  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Hi,
As a regular commuter on the Grange line I have noticed that the train has been persistently running 5 minutes behind schedule due to 7 TSR's between Woodville and Grange:

1) the train will crawl at about 30 kph between Woodville park and Woodville while outer harbor trains go considerably faster.
2) the 35 kph speed between Woodville and port road has a TSR of 15 Kph around the first curve into Holden's loop.
3) the track over port road is limited to 40 Kph instead of the usual 80 kph over level crossings such as tapleys hill road.
4) the track through the golf course is limited to 50 kph instead of 80 Kph due to no safety fence!!! (an accident waiting to happen).
5) the track around the bend into Frederick road level crossing has a TSR of 20 Kph instead of the signposted 50 Kph.
6) the sharper than normal section of line curvature just after Frederick road that was resleepered in 2006 on the golf course side of the line with a noticeable jolt sees trains traversing it at 20 Kph.
7) the extremely sharp section of track over the Charles Sturt avenue level crossing with a signposted speed of 25 Kph but instead with a TSR of 10 Kph due to the sharper than normal curve.

this must be the area on the Adelaide rail network with the most TSR's due to poor upgrades and old rotted wooden sleepers that are so old that some are cracked and even split so the line needs to be resleepered with concrete sleepers, tactile grip installed on the platforms, all level crossings upgraded and a safety fence put in place with automatic gates on the golf course.

Has anyone heard anything on the grapevine about a possible grange line upgrade?
Heath Loxton


Let me just put some corrections to your issues. Most of which are non-issues, as a driver, I mostly can run a Grange ontime. The only exception is the East Grange-Grange section where they provide only 1min to traverse it, which is impossible.

Anyway...

1) They travel at 35km/h because they received a Medium Speed signal at the signal after Woodville Park. This is because of the turn out for Platform 1. Hence why OH trains travel track speed in this section and Grange trains don't.
2) That TSR has been there forever and a day, heat buckles, etc...
3) Wrong - That section is 40km/h both ways. Has been as long as I have been driving.
4) Sort of right. Been like it for years, doesn't affect ontime running.
5) This is due to a heat buckle from LAST summer. Was there so long, it fixed it self, then buckled again.
6) Incorrect - see above
7) And noise abatement.

Nope. Nothing on the cards for Grange. Perhaps consider the term "Fit for purpose". It is fine if they fixed some of the TSR issues, but given the trip times, and the running on it, most trains are ontime or slightly late. Depending on class of rail car/loadings/etc...
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

I wish the government would get around to putting concrete sleepers on the Grange line that should hopefully address some of the heat buckling issues on the line.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The railway has run through the golf course for many decades.   The need for a fence hasn't been an issue so far.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Speaking of the golf links when did the station disappear?
I remember a stepdown platform by the club rooms in the 1950's.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Don't forget the yard at ASR which is 35 with additional TSR's on the curves and the Torrens Junction, a varying TSR at the ARTC, slowing for the red at Bowden on up trains, 40 at Bowden, Croydon and West Croydon as well as Alberton for tight platforms, 50 at Kilkenny for crossing warning(?), TSR's at the remnants of the dual gauge crossings at PAJ, 40 on the curve into PA, 30 over the Port River, 50 from there to Granville which goes to 65 at Granville platform unless you are on the up in which case it is 20, but I think the TSR immediately south of Glanville turnouts has gone. The 20 through StClair presumably goes next week, though trains will stop instead. Sections flagged for 90 can be very short, too short to get there. Drivers will advise if I missed any.
  torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

With all the issues on the Grange line, and the the fact the line is not direct it still takes only 22mins for a 13km trip compared to a bus trip of 32mins (H30). It doesn't seem to get much patronage - maybe when they get around to the tram line to West Lakes it will be upgraded, most likely to light rail.
  HeathIvanLoxton Beginner

Location: Banned
Hi,
I travelled on the grange line yesterday and noticed a new TSR of 20 kph over Tapleys Hill Road.
does anyone know why this may have been put in place?


cheers, Heath Loxton Smile
  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Speaking of the golf links when did the station disappear?
I remember a stepdown platform by the club rooms in the 1950's.
kipioneer


The station closed on 31/8/57. Same day as the last train to Henley Beach.

Crossing loop also removed
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
so basically while the southern lines are electrified and have new trains, the grange line is falling to bits, literally as the track is buckled and some of the sleepers are split!!!
  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Marginal seats... do it every time.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Trouble is with lines like Grange years ago hardly anyone had a car down that way, now with all these houses built down there West Lakes etc every house has at least one car in the garage provided, so most down that way simply drive places rather than use the train service. West Lakes and modern  housing developments are all the same though designed for car owners. Public transport in most cases is a tacked on after thought!
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
Concrete re-sleepering of the Grange line may happen just before, or just after, DPTI build three more railcar stabling sidings in the old North Car Yard....8)
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Concrete re-sleepering of the Grange line may happen just before, or just after, DPTI build three more railcar stabling sidings in the old North Car Yard....8)
Top Cat

Do you reckon, I thought that wouldn't happen until they put the tram in Smile
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
No need for a tram there now that AAMI stadium is not going to be there, sure West Lakes shopping centre would provide a bit of revenue, but I don't think it would be enough for them to actually go ahead with the tram line now.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Drivers can confirm this:
IIRC during the summer heatwave I travelled on a grange train to the city and I saw a track gang doing some work on the line curve next to the Christian family centre and they were replacing sleepers,
I was wondering why if the sleepers have been replaced in that area the TSR is still there on that curve?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Drivers can confirm this:
IIRC during the summer heatwave I travelled on a grange train to the city and I saw a track gang doing some work on the line curve next to the Christian family centre and they were replacing sleepers,
I was wondering why if the sleepers have been replaced in that area the TSR is still there on that curve?
"Heath Loxton"


Not sure about that area, but the TSR's seem to have been removed on the Port Road LX.
Train speed passing the crossing is noticably faster. (viewed from the rubber tyred side in both directions)
  defman Station Master

Let me just put some corrections to your issues. Most of which are non-issues, as a driver, I mostly can run a Grange ontime.
Jumbo2001

As a fellow driver.. I defy ANYONE, to be able to do a Grange on time... legally! If you are doing the advertised speed restrictions, to say nothing about the 40km/h restriction with the Caution between Croydon and Bowden on the Up, where do you 'make up' the time?

That 20km/h restriction near that church is around 150m and will kill your arrival time into Seaton.. OR East Grange... the 15 through Woodville you'll lose another minute at least... And there is NOWHERE between there and Adelaide, except PERHAPS through the yard, now all the 15's have gone on the Harbour/NM side of the yard... ESPECIALLY in Jumbos... Just sayin'!
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Drivers can confirm this:
IIRC during the summer heatwave I travelled on a grange train to the city and I saw a track gang doing some work on the line curve next to the Christian family centre and they were replacing sleepers,
I was wondering why if the sleepers have been replaced in that area the TSR is still there on that curve?
Heath Loxton

Simply because the track has been disturbed by putting in new sleepers. You have to jack the rails up slightly to get the old sleepers out and insert a new sleeper then spike it down after lowering the rails again. So at this spot till it can be tamped you now have a slight uplift in the track as the sleepers will never go back exactly into place again it will take a while so they put a speed restriction on it or leave the original speed restriction in place till it packs down enough or gets a tamp to bring it back to level. You do not want to hit something of that nature at full track speed not unless you want something to happen like derail or something.

It could also be that they might have more resleepring to do there as well so rather than put up a speed restriction every time they just leave it in place till it is finally completely fixed. The flying gang cannot be everywhere at once.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
What's so hard about getting a tamp down there to re-tamp the track?

and drivers can confirm this also:

1) is there any works planned to remove the 20 kph speed restriction by repairing the track over tapleys hill road due to the track buckling?
2) is there any planned sleepering work for the TSR near the church on Frederick road?
3) why is the inbound line in the Holden's loop being held together via a yellow vice with a spare rail next to it?
4) how often is the Grange line inspected by track machines?

I feel that the TSR's through Woodville, Tapleys Hill Road and Frederick road should be rectified. and the speed raised on the Charles Sturt avenue TSR from 10 kph to 15 kph.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Heath with probably only one tamper to do the job and other more pressings things to be attended to it simply gets a speed restriction slapped on it till it can be done. The track gang cannot be everywhere at once and I think Adelaide Metro only has one track gang, a flying gang as they are called to look after all the tracks. If that is the case then you cannot be in two places at once and the more severe track problems will get attended to first to be safe. It might be done by contractor now but it still means that the track has to be out of action while it is tamped so that would entail a closure of the line and everyone knows the Adelaide commuters just love rail closures!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Or they could just tamp the perway overnight... Oh that's right, that's when they do, do the work!
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Drivers can confirm this but is there really only one track gang for 5 lines?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Or they could just tamp the perway overnight... Oh that's right, that's when they do, do the work!
Aaron

You just cannot go out and do night work anymore unless you letterbox the locals or inform them and that means it all has to be done in advance. If the track was an emergency type of thing done during daylight you are robbed of this opportunity till it can be done and the locals notified so it would still stand with a speed restriction till the notices etc were sent out and the night work done. Not so on the Outer Harbor line a lot of minor work is done during daylight on these lines for obvious reasons. Major planned work though gets done at night though.

Before you start up about what reason's Aaron there are a lot of houses etc very close to both of these railway lines with only a few spots that are not anymore! Were I am and I am about 200m or more away from the line we still get notified about night work and noise it could cause.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
What does tamping involve?

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