Denis Napthine has bad poll news, east-west link not popular. Metro Rail Tunnel favoured

 

News article: Denis Napthine has bad poll news, east-west link not popular. Metro Rail Tunnel favoured

The Napthine government is heading to an election with its key priorities in doubt, as most voters remain unconvinced about the east-west link and more than a quarter say public safety is getting worse.

  usedtobered Locomotive Fireman

Bogong,
I don't know why people have to get personal about another person's political bent. That's life, people can never see that there is two sides to a story.
My point is that if Ted or Dennis or whoever is loading the Libs, and they won the election 3.5 years ago based on the few Electorate's who swung their votes based on the need for Public Transport, why would'nt  you do something earlier than six months before the election?
I don't particularly care who gets in, both parties are pretty bad- (who is Daniel Andrews or Andrew Daniels anyway) no leadership qualities , and especially no overall vision for Victoria. Where is the strategy to deal with the population growth or the lack of manufacturing jobs in Geelong?
Why aren't politicians of both persuasions getting their bums into their cars and visiting the poor people of Morwell?
These are the questions that need answering.
Please.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Perhaps it is time to weigh into this thread. I love Cafe Latte's and living inner city. Anyhow.

My take is the libs are looking at a 6 to 9 seat loss at the next election. Many would argue they have a chance and they do. The best thing going for the libs is labor.

I take the view this recent announcement from Napthine is far too little too late and based on the libs performance over the past 3 years, I am not convinced this project will go ahead in the way they project.

Napthine was on radio this morning. I heard him. He is a man the people of Victoria have stopped listening to. When asked on Faine's program about public transport he said the libs have an integrated plan. He pointed to his governments work on the RRL (a previous government project), he said the libs had done a lot of work on the Doncaster Rail link and the Airport Rail link.

Not sure how to read that other than to say he is dreaming. This guy has probably never done a days work in his life. He is a very unconvincing man who leads a government who according to a caller has back flipped on the many public transport projects and announcements made both during and before the last election.

It is true to say the Libs are in power by way of the seats won on the Frankston line. Now how many positive projects have been delivered for upgrades and improvements to public transport services on the Frankston line?

This latest announcement is a quick "we had better do something about public transport" because i can see from the recent polls "30 per cent nominated Labor’s big transport promise - getting rid of 50 dangerous level crossings - as the highest priority project." shows 30% of people surveyed thought level across eradication was the most important public transport (or infrastructure) project in the state.

I would expect to get more promises and no delivery either on the projects already promised or the new projects being announced and those yet to be announced. Finally, I am not sure where the money is coming from.

Let's not forget there are a number of marginal seats in Central Victoria where at least two of these seats have retiring parliamentary members.

Regards
Brian
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
On that train of thought, how long will it take to get the hardened car driver onto PT and will it be the price of fuel or total blockage of the roads that does it? And which will come first? It is an interesting dichotomy, cannot wait to see what the answer is.
usedtobered

Where do we begin? Driving is faster and more convenient than PT for most trips, which is the crux of it:

*Rail service speed is too slow, especially to outer areas and for trams
*Bus service speed is too low due to convoluted routes
*Frequency is too low, making travel or connections impossible
*Non-existent bus services in most areas or poor routes
*PT is not necessarily cheaper particularly short trips or across zones

I rarely use PT for these exact reasons - most journeys would be twice as long, and that's assuming the times line up perfectly (ie. I'm not there half an hour before I actually want to be due to limited frequency).

What is it good for at the moment?

*Peak travel to the CBD and inner city, and off-peak travel to the CBD
*Recreational travel whilst over the legal alcohol limit
*Travel for those who can't drive
*Travel for those who can't afford to drive, be it parking, or car running costs (eg. rego)

Ie. Sweet feck all.

To make it useful you need:

*High frequencies, particularly metrofication of the inner rail system
*All day express services to outer areas
*Rationalisation of excessive stops, particularly trams and buses
*Total restructuring of bus network for fast cross-suburban travel (ie. grid network)
*Easier connection between services
*Better zonal pricing structure

Notice how PTUA waste their time on useless things like Dumbcaster Rail.

Grade seps are not going to increase train speed or frequency
usedtobered

You can't run high frequency rail services with level crossings on arterials.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You can't run high frequency rail services with level crossings on arterials.
ZH836301


Is this a Vicroads issue or a PTV directive?
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
It's reality.
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
Is this a Vicroads issue or a PTV directive?
bevans

PTV has said they would like to increase frequencies on Dandenong line, but  the booms are now down for more than 40 minutes in the hour.  To add services would only stop those roads entirely.  Motorists have more votes than current train passengers and some of them drive, too.  For this line, grade separations and / or higher capacity trains is the only way to add capacity.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
PTV has said they would like to increase frequencies on Dandenong line, but the booms are now down for more than 40 minutes in the hour. To add services would only stop those roads entirely. Motorists have more votes than current train passengers and some of them drive, too. For this line, grade separations and / or higher capacity trains is the only way to add capacity.
Edith

Grade separations, higher capacity trains and/or extra tracks.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The gradual and programmes removal of level crossings in the metro areas is something the network desperately needs.
  usedtobered Locomotive Fireman

Of course as well as car and PT there is the good old treadlie.
What is it- 60-70% of car journeys are less than 5 Kim's?

Unfortunately, most Australians are in the car mindset or too lazy for this option.
Such a pity for them. There are so many good bike facilities now (Melbourne- let's ignore Sydney),
Bikes are a great way to keep the blood flowing ( into old age, not just for children).

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