Activity at Springvale

 
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
And to answer ZH836301 comment, Springvale has been a stopping location for nearly every express service Metro and their predecessors have run. So I don't see this arrangement changing any time soon.
damoops

That's hardly justification.

There's absolutely no reason why express trains running on separate tracks should stop there (or anywhere else between Dandenong and Oakleigh).

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  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
That's hardly justification.

There's absolutely no reason why express trains running on separate tracks should stop there (or anywhere else between Dandenong and Oakleigh).
ZH836301

They should definitely stop at Springvale, it's one of the busiest stations on the line.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
The idea of building four tracks is to provide express services, not those which continually stop

Springvale travellers can use a proper metro service originating from Dandenong.
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
They should definitely stop at Springvale, it's one of the busiest stations on the line.
Braddo

5,393 people used Springvale station every weekday in 2011-12 according to the PT> station by station document
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
So?  How about Noble Park?  How about Clayton?

An express service that barely runs express is a waste of money (notwithstanding the added expense of four platforms) - those stations are easily serviced by stopping all stations trains from Dandenong.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

They've removed some of the temporary bracers and started work on the ramps - the good news is that they'll be much shorter than at Mitcham.
"Gauntlet"

Is the station shallower, or are the ramps steeper?
  G41 Chief Commissioner

Location: Footplate of any K class
If you look at the new bridge at Officer connecting the new "civic centre", there is provision for a 3rd rail. If that says anything for future developments?!
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Is the station shallower, or are the ramps steeper?
duttonbay

At Mitcham the station building and concourse is higher than Mitcham Road so the ramps need to be longer.

I forgot to post a pic of the station buildings on Saturday so here it is.
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
the pedestrian overpass must be recently constructed as it is not in the google aerials or Melways online - shown as a crossing only

was it part of this project or separate?
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
It was built as part of the Westall upgrade to replace the at grade crossing and is about 500m up from Springvale Road.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Is the station shallower, or are the ramps steeper?
duttonbay

I should add that the reason the ramps are so long at Mitcham is because the footpath from Mitcham Road to the station entrance is actually steeper than the ramp going down to the platform.Rolling Eyes
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I should add that the reason the ramps are so long at Mitcham is because the footpath from Mitcham Road to the station entrance is actually steeper than the ramp going down to the platform.
"Gauntlet"

Yes, I have noticed this. Weird...
  Connex Station Master

I went to take some photos at springvale I will post them later p.s I was From RV forums but they banned me.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

p.s I was From RV forums but they banned me.
"Connex"

I don't think we needed to know that.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I was wondering if they've left space to extend the new platforms to take 9-car trains and I think the answer is no because the cutting narrows where an access road will pass over it.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
The new trains are likely just permanent six-car trains with adjusted seating and end cabs.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Here are yesterdays photos.
Work continues up from the temporary overpass.

All the bracers have been removed on the down side.
The station building has started to receive its final outer layer.


However, I think the big news is that the up cutting now has stanchions and ballast.
The down cutting has only received a small section of gravel.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
The new trains are likely just permanent six-car trains with adjusted seating and end cabs.
ZH836301

According to Daniel Bowen that's exactly what they are, but with more doors. Perhaps they might be a bit longer to accommodate these extra doors?
  Ranissir Beginner

Thanks for those shots Gauntlet! The concept video does make it seem like they've allowed space for 9-car carriages as they've shown transparent platforms extend to the road bridge (see below) though it would help if we could see it from a different angle. Otherwise I don't see why they wouldn't narrow the trench closer to the platforms if they weren't intending to extend the platforms in the future. Also, it does seem like they only poured concrete where the platforms would be

  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

If SG was to be laid, it would more likely be dual gauge from Caulfield as DG limit is 80 kph. and I don't think the line speed in that section would be any higher than that.
damooops

This would make the most sense.

The ideal option would be for 6 tracks Dandenong-Caufield (most of the corridor DOES have space for this with station rebuilds), with the express BG and SG tracks merging into a new DG express link between Caufield and South Yarra that skips all of the stations between. This would be the hardest section to do...and may involve tunnels.

The current all stopping Dandenong tracks would be routed through the Metro just to the south of South Yarra.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The current all stopping Dandenong tracks would be routed through the Metro just to the south of South Yarra.
"Mr. Lane"

The original plan of running the Metro to Caulfield would have saved an awful lot of hassle...
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

The original plan of running the Metro to Caulfield would have saved an awful lot of hassle...
duttonbay


The Caufield option for the Metro was flawed as it would not remove express trains from the South Yarra-Caufield section, including V/Line trains which would still need to go via South Yarra...and trains heading for the Metro would miss the stations between all together.

A better option would be to have the Metro start/end near South Yarra as per the current plan and later a second tunnel project between South Yarra and Caufield for the express services and future SG freight. This tunnel would have no stops and could be built right under the current alignment.
  712M Chief Commissioner

The Caufield option for the Metro was flawed as it would not remove express trains from the South Yarra-Caufield section, including V/Line trains which would still need to go via South Yarra...and trains heading for the Metro would miss the stations between all together
"Mr. Lane"


It's always cheaper to do it all in one go. Having four (or more) tracks between Dandenong and Caulfield and the South Yarra-South Kensington tunnel is pointless if they still have to merge into the existing pair of tracks between Caulfield and South Yarra. Utilising the Frankston track pair in this section is not an option because there is little to no spare capacity and would cause flat junction issues at Caulfield.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The Caufield option for the Metro was flawed as it would not remove express trains from the South Yarra-Caufield section, including V/Line trains which would still need to go via South Yarra...and trains heading for the Metro would miss the stations between all together.
"Mr. Lane"

I see one of the suburban lines running via the Metro tunnel (Frankston or Dandenong et al), leaving the four tracks Caulfield-South Yarra catering for the other suburban line, plus V/Line and Freight.  Is there insufficient capacity for that? Stopping sparks use one pair of tracks, and express sparks can share the other pair with the express V/Line and freight trains.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Ballast has been laid from the pedestrian overpass to Springvale Road, and from the access road to almost the down end of the cutting.
The roof for the station building(s) is in one big piece by the line near Sandown Park.
Most of the stanchions have been erected.
Sleepers and rails have been delivered.
Some track has been laid. It will link the two extra roads to the main line.




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