Waratah Updates

 
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Are the coupler issues to do with the "between car" couplers, or the front/rear couplers?

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  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

A6 is back at Cardiff today. Expect to see quite a few more Waratahs make the trip back soon, can't say much at the moment though.
piepants


Telegram 050-14GM, issued Monday March 3, made mention of two sets returning to Cardiff, Tuesday March 4.  


Just for the record, I noted the following:-
Friday afternoon Peak, 21/2/14: Three (3) A set Rosters running with alternative set types.
Friday afternoon Peak, 28/2/14: Five (5) A set Rosters running with alternative set types.

As reported by Aurora8, under the S Set Scrapping thread:-
Monday, 3/3/14: Nine (9) A set Rosters running with alternative set types.  


- Scott.
  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
Are the coupler issues to do with the "between car" couplers, or the front/rear couplers?
Raichase

Between. A6 has been broken up into individual cars, and A7 is awaiting the same treatment.

Telegram 050-14GM, issued Monday March 3, made mention of two sets returning to Cardiff, Tuesday March 4.


Just for the record, I noted the following:-
Friday afternoon Peak, 21/2/14: Three (3) A set Rosters running with alternative set types.
Friday afternoon Peak, 28/2/14: Five (5) A set Rosters running with alternative set types.

As reported by Aurora8, under the S Set Scrapping thread:-
Monday, 3/3/14: Nine (9) A set Rosters running with alternative set types.


- Scott.
scott4570

Sounds about right. I'm not sure on the specifics of the issue given that I'm a sparky and not mechanical, but from what I've heard it's pretty big. Big enough to change out runs anyway.
  Black1050 Chief Train Controller

Location: Out of the Metrop
The rumour I hear, is that 20 of 22 roads at AMF were occupied on Monday night/Tuesday morning as frantic inspections were being conducted. There were murmurings about inter car couplers...  
Meanwhile yesterday, there were 9 waratarts substituted by S, C and T sets... Seems to lend some credence the rumours...
  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
If the rumours I'm hearing are true, "frantic" is an understatement. The proverbial crap could be hitting the fan tomorrow.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Interesting stuff, thanks for the extra info piepants. As a layman, my guess would be the strain on the couplers when the train goes over rough track (whenever a Waratah hits a mudhole or other such dip in the track, it feels like the train is jerking on the couplers as each bogie goes over the depression). Could be undue stress causing a potential for a failure?
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: Off-line
A7 is back in Sydney already. Just gone South through Meadowbank,  non-stop and empty.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

For Thursday, 6 March, afternoon Peak, I noted eight (8 ) A set Rosters running with alternative S, C, K, and T set consists:-
Sector 2: 4 Rosters, numbers 56, 63, 67, 80.
Sector 3: 4 Rosters, numbers 155, 161, 169, 178.

Set A17, which was not Rostered for these peak services, formed part of the Sydney - Olympic Park Shuttle service for the NRL Game, with its first trip at 1756 hours (approx.) ex Sydney Terminal.


- Scott.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
6 A set rosters substituted today

7,58,59 on Sector 2
156,175,181 on Sector 3
  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
Sets 78 and 80 are a couple of days behind schedule at Cardiff.

Also, report here on the job losses due to the end of the project:
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2148746/downer-cuts-190-rail-jobs/?cs=305


THE Hunter’s manufacturing industry took another hit yesterday, after rail manufacturer Downer EDI said it was cutting almost 200 workers from its operations in Cardiff.About 80 full-time employees and 110 contract staff will leave  the company because of the completion of its contract to build a 78 eight-carriage Waratah train fleet for the NSW government.
Downer spokesman Michael Sharp confirmed the news yesterday, saying the last of the trains was due to be delivered in May.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

To finish the week, Waratah Sets had a better score, with only three (3) Rosters replaced with alternate set types.

Friday afternoon Peak, 14/3/14:-
Sector 2: One (1) A set Roster (number 70) running with 8K set consist.
Sector 3: Two (2) A set Rosters (numbers 152 & 161) running as 8T and 8K set consist respectively.

Almost back to normal running.  


- Scott.
  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
To finish the week, Waratah Sets had a better score, with only three (3) Rosters replaced with alternate set types.

Friday afternoon Peak, 14/3/14:-
Sector 2: One (1) A set Roster (number 70) running with 8K set consist.
Sector 3: Two (2) A set Rosters (numbers 152 & 161) running as 8T and 8K set consist respectively.

Almost back to normal running.


- Scott.
scott4570

Yup. It was a bit of an over reaction from what I understand. Expect Waratah rosters to be back to normal pretty soon.

A80 is due to be delivered to Auburn around the 15th-ish of April I think.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

As from Monday, March 17, three Sector 3 Rosters have been allocated new Roster numbers, for the purpose of grouping all Rosters operated by A sets in one sequence or series.

A set Roster 130 has been changed to Roster number 182.
8K set Roster 138 has been changed to Roster number 183.
8K set Roster 141 has been changed to Roster number 184.  


Rosters 183 and 184 were to have become A set Rosters from March 17, however, this has been deferred for at least one week.


- Scott.
  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
Bit of a rare sight: M11 in the sheds at Cardiff alongside the B-set of A78:

[img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7362/13237363885_39b8cfbfb9.jpg[/img]
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54472761@N02/13237363885/
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: Off-line
A01 was outside the Clyde end of the Auburn workshops today with its Sydney Trains logos revealed and, so far as I could tell, the 'Train In Test' labels gone from the doors, which I think means it will have finished its acceptance testing program. Perhaps it's already been out and about in revenue service (sightings?) but if not, it looks ready to join the active fleet.
  Silver S Set Junior Train Controller

Bit of a rare sight: M11 in the sheds at Cardiff alongside the B-set of A78:

[img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7362/13237363885_39b8cfbfb9.jpg[/img]
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54472761@N02/13237363885/
piepants

Why do u say A78 is a B set?
  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
Why do u say A78 is a B set?
Silver S Set

We test them as 4-car sets first, so we refer to them as, for example, set 78A and 78B. This is done with a box attached to the intercar connector on the TC to provide some indication of trainline signals as well as provide the pilot loop for things like the brake system.

After most of the sub systems have been commissioned, the 4-car sets are coupled up to form the final 8 car set before a bit of high voltage testing, then going out to road 1 for delivery preparation.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Just to update the statistics one more time in respect to Waratah Sets replaced with alternate set types.

Thursday afternoon Peak, 20/3/14:-
Sector 2: One (1) A set Roster (number 68 ) running with 8T set consist.
Sector 3: Two (2) A set Rosters (numbers 168 & 176) both running with 8T set consists.


- Scott.
  Kurmudgeon Junior Train Controller

I dunno if this has been asked/answered here, but what are the two cavities in the ceilings above each set of doors (apart from the doors at the ends) of an A set? They look like cake tins, with the long sides being wavy (I believe M sets have something similar... I haven't been on one for several years).
From a layperson's perspective I can't imagine what they are for, but have assumed it is something to do with the internals of the train.
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Hand grips for travelers standing in the vestibule. Reasonably effective if you're tall enough.
  Silver S Set Junior Train Controller

We test them as 4-car sets first, so we refer to them as, for example, set 78A and 78B. This is done with a box attached to the intercar connector on the TC to provide some indication of trainline signals as well as provide the pilot loop for things like the brake system.

After most of the sub systems have been commissioned, the 4-car sets are coupled up to form the final 8 car set before a bit of high voltage testing, then going out to road 1 for delivery preparation.
piepants

Thanks, that really helps.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
A01 in service today - Sitting on it on 172B at the present
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

As from Monday, March 17, three Sector 3 Rosters have been allocated new Roster numbers, for the purpose of grouping all Rosters operated by A sets in one sequence or series.

A set Roster 130 has been changed to Roster number 182.
8K set Roster 138 has been changed to Roster number 183.
8K set Roster 141 has been changed to Roster number 184.


Rosters 183 and 184 were to have become A set Rosters from March 17, however, this has been deferred for at least one week.


- Scott.
scott4570


Telegram 075-14GM issued today, Wednesday, March 26, has Rosters 183 and 184 commencing as A sets from Thursday, March 27.


- Scott.
  jCTate Beginner

Could not be bothered reading this whole thread with all the posts. Word on the rails is all the Waratah cuplinks are to be replaced with Aussie BHP steel unit as the Chinese ones are showing cracks and fatigue.
*Fist Pumps the air.
  Black1050 Chief Train Controller

Location: Out of the Metrop
Could not be bothered reading this whole thread with all the posts. Word on the rails is all the Waratah cuplinks are to be replaced with Aussie BHP steel unit as the Chinese ones are showing cracks and fatigue.
*Fist Pumps the air.
jCTate



From what I've heard, there are issues which have been discovered, with SOME inter car couplers on SOME sets - twisting or other such deformations occurring.  Country of origin with regard to build quality is potentially part of the issue, but from what I hear and understand, it's not as you're thinking or implying - I wouldn't get too enthusiastic with that fist pumping - unless you're in the process of moshing at a live concert at this point in time...

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