Comeng Carriage New Door Handles

 
  shaun001 Station Master

I noticed tonight that all door handles on the inside and outside of Comeng carriage 1097T have been replaced with a new design.

I'm assuming this is a safety measure making it more difficult to hold open/ force open the doors while the train is in motion?

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  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I heard that some kid (sounds like an amphetamine user) severely injured himself today on the Belgrave line by forcing open train doors and jumping off a moving train.

It seems a shame that huge amounts of money are being spent replacing thousands of door handles just to protect a few druggies from themselves. Sad
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Wow, that was cheap, can I see daylight through the four original bolt holes? I guess it was too hard/expensive to implement X'Trapolis style push buttons and fully automatic doors in the 21st century like the remains of our vintage W class trams all have.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I think this brings up 'that old chestnut' again of, how much longer are these Comeng trains going to remain in service? And, Is it worth giving them a mini refurb? Fully automatic doors, upgraded motors and upgraded A/C units I think would extend the operational lives of these things for as long as realistically they are going to need it.

We can't pretend these sets are only going to be around for a couple more years, realistically, it looks likely that we won't have a replacement ready for at least 10 - 15 years, so a rolling refurbishment program would probably be the best way to see these things through the last phase of their operational lives.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Aside for the fluted stainless steel exterior, which was already outdated by the time they entered service in the first place (was popular from the late 30s to the late 60s in the US, or the mid 70s in Japan), they look reasonably modern from a passenger point of view. Their 2002ish refurb was a significant upgrade. X'Trap style doors would be good now though.

Mechanically speaking though; how "clapped out" are they? How prone are they to faults compared to when they were younger?
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

Wow, that was cheap, can I see daylight through the four original bolt holes? I guess it was too hard/expensive to implement X'Trapolis style push buttons and fully automatic doors in the 21st century like the remains of our vintage W class trams all have.
Heihachi_73

Don't be silly thats the AC thru those 4 holes...................
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

Someone with arthritis will complain so they will have to come up with something different.
On a similar note, didn't some know-it-all get on TV some years back and say all Comeng doors will be fitted with locking devices? This was after an incident in the loop IIRC.
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
As far as I can tell, Brisbane have retro fitted push buttons on some of their older EMUs (sorry don't know the type), they originally had an old Harris set type handle, but even then, for as long as I have been travelling up there, those sets still have door that opened mechanically and not by hand.
  merlin Chief Commissioner

Location: North East Adelaide
Wow, that was cheap, can I see daylight through the four original bolt holes?
Heihachi_73

You asked for Hitachi style opening windows....metro has delivered!
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Meanwhile Adelaide has long since converted their Comeng style DMUs to use push button door release. Mainly to stop idiots from forcing the door open while the train was moving. In this case the trigger was someone and his mate jumping from a moving train after missing their stop, landed head first in a concrete drain.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
It's about time we stopped wasting our money on trying to protect idiots from themselves.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
What do we waste money on then? Fixing the X'Trapolis bug which confines the trains to the 90km/h-restricted "Connex" corner of the network? Sparks to Stony Point, Melton, Tarneit or Geelong? Buses running until midnight seven days a week so they can be even remotely competitive to every single other mode of transport? Trams to Knox City or even Rowville so it can take two hours to drive the tram back to the city? I know, build a two-lane toll road tunnel under the city for a few $billion and watch it get gridlocked within days of opening. Laughing
  Taitset Chief Commissioner

Location: Eltham, (former) vintage safeworking capital of Melbourne
Unless someone has heard otherwise from a reliable source, I very much doubt that the purpose of these new handles is to make it harder to force/hold the doors - simply because if that was the case it would make it harder to open the doors correctly as well. Having said that, I don't have any better suggestions for their purpose!
  hot-axle-box Junior Train Controller

The little spastic jumped at Watergardens ! And he was lucky not to hit 2 other ppl waiting on the platform, although this was not as stupid as the girl who decided to get on a moving freight up in N.S.W not long ago. Very lucky she didn't get killed. Now.........stop bagging comeng sets they have been and still are a good train, As with all things that age you start to get faults. And believe me some young folk on here have had intermittent fault lights starting to go off fairly early ! Society has to stop protecting D i c k heads from themselves. I,m with Braddo on this one, why spend good money on the comeng doors there is nothing wrong with them. And the fact remains, When my train was stopped between Ormond and Glenhuntly one afternoon so some little group of pricks could paint the side, I was glad it was a comeng so that when they started to paint the middle door I opened it and kicked one of the idiots fair and square in the head with my steel capped boot! Couldn't do that with your fancy siemens or cheap excrapolous.
  richardlu_yy Chief Train Controller

Location: Singapore
Unless someone has heard otherwise from a reliable source, I very much doubt that the purpose of these new handles is to make it harder to force/hold the doors - simply because if that was the case it would make it harder to open the doors correctly as well. Having said that, I don't have any better suggestions for their purpose!
Taitset

Metro spokeswoman confirmed that they are trialling a new handle for the Comeng during news report on the Watergardens incident. So yeah...
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
I have just seen the photo of the new handles for the first time now as I am often on a computer that won't let me use flickr. I say they look good and they look like the type that could easily co exist with push buttons being fitted later.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
What do we waste money on then? Fixing the X'Trapolis bug which confines the trains to the 90km/h-restricted "Connex" corner of the network? Sparks to Stony Point, Melton, Tarneit or Geelong? Buses running until midnight seven days a week so they can be even remotely competitive to every single other mode of transport? Trams to Knox City or even Rowville so it can take two hours to drive the tram back to the city? I know, build a two-lane toll road tunnel under the city for a few $billion and watch it get gridlocked within days of opening. Laughing
Heihachi_73

How about spending it on something useful such as repairing the leaking air systems on the Comengs or installing some toilets at stations that don't have any. Things that would be appreciated by all customers rather than  things required to protect a few dickheads.
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
How about spending it on something useful such as repairing the leaking air systems on the Comengs or installing some toilets at stations that don't have any. Things that would be appreciated by all customers rather than things required to protect a few dickheads.
Braddo

Maybe it is a waste of money as far a protecting adults, but you could argue teenagers who do stupid things are not in the same boat as their brains just don't think and it is worth protecting them.
  ljayvee6 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the Apm Siding
I think this brings up 'that old chestnut' again of, how much longer are these Comeng trains going to remain in service? And, Is it worth giving them a mini refurb? Fully automatic doors, upgraded motors and upgraded A/C units I think would extend the operational lives of these things for as long as realistically they are going to need it.

We can't pretend these sets are only going to be around for a couple more years, realistically, it looks likely that we won't have a replacement ready for at least 10 - 15 years, so a rolling refurbishment program would probably be the best way to see these things through the last phase of their operational lives.
"Gman_86"

Good idea. The comengs should also be fitted with new seating, brakes, traction equipment and a new exterior. That would extend their running life for about another 20-30 years and also give them the feel of a grey ghost.
A thread discussing ideas for future comeng refurbs can be found here: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1899964.htm
  ljayvee6 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the Apm Siding
Aside for the fluted stainless steel exterior, which was already outdated by the time they entered service in the first place (was popular from the late 30s to the late 60s in the US, or the mid 70s in Japan), they look reasonably modern from a passenger point of view. Their 2002ish refurb was a significant upgrade. X'Trap style doors would be good now though.

Mechanically speaking though; how "clapped out" are they? How prone are they to faults compared to when they were younger?
"alstom_888m"

They used to brake down a lot when they entered service on the hurstbridge line and still do.
Is it because of steep grades? I don't know.
  bomberswarm2 Locomotive Driver

Eh, me and my friend saw this, tried to force open the doors to see how good they were, makes no difference.

Also was on a train at Southern Cross a few weeks ago, lady got her glasses stuck in the door on the right side of the train, the ticket inspectors easily opened these handles to get them out.

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