Fare Pricing For Seniors at the Weekend

 
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Correct me if wrong, but it's my impression all the AOs care about is that your card is touched on.  That's why a Senior (for example) must touch on at the weekend, even though $0 will be deducted.  The AOs have no interest in how, when or where the touch on occurred?

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  nonscenic Locomotive Fireman

Location: Southern Cross by day
Absolutely. Though do tell the AO teams that. They're still a bit too keen to arrange lightening of your wallet via a report of offence with apparently zero tolerance towards not understanding the system or not being able to use to correctly for what ever reason.

If you do what the system requires and can benefit from it then that's one to you. I've been doing that for the past few years though the trips in question ceased recently as the need to make them is no more.
Gwiwer

Yes, for almost 2 1/2 years the default fare on buses (when in "headless mode" ) with myki was the zone in which the user touched on. Thus my commuting costs were roughly halved if I didn't touch off and travel on another vehicle after completing my bus journey across zones 1 and 2.
Since May last year, as xxxxlbear states "From what I understand, the errors are because of the driver incorrectly resetting or inputting (or completely forgetting to) the correct route or direction of travel into his/her Myki console at the end of the previous trip. While this is true in some cases, at other times the myki console software plays up, and the driver, not being an IT expert and with schedules to maintain, fails to correct it. My Myki fares were being charged correctly late last year. Only in the last few weeks have my occasional cheap fares started, so it seems less likely that the drivers forget how to reset the console.

Why in this age the ticketing system can't be based on a reliable GPS system that correctly identifies the zone of touch on or touch off, or provide reliable information on PIDs is an indicator of how pathetic the myki ticketing system is.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
...I can't answer the original question and I suspect the only way to find out how Myki deals with this is to travel and find out.
Gwiwer

Today I went to Woodend (zone 4) and broke my trip at Watergardens (where I reached the daily cap).

At Woodend I got charged $1.78 (full fare) and my myki had a 2 hour zone 1-4 fare product on it (starting from touch on at Watergardens) as well as the zone 1&2 daily product.

The total fare is 6 cents less than a normal weekday off peak fare.

Aparently the predictions in my first post were more accurate than in my second one.

Did anyone try similar seniors or concession travel today?
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Gauntlet, this may also back up your point.
Late last year, I travelled from Geelong (zone 4) to Malmsbury (zone 7) on a Sunday.
I am on a DSP concession, and use a DSP encoded Myki concession card, which includes 2 adjacent zones free weekend travel, and travelled on a Sunday.
I was charged by Myki:
Geelong to Southern Cross (z4 to z1): $3.85
Southern Cross to Malmsbury (z1 to z7): $1.68
Malmsbury to Southern Cross (z7 to z1): $5.53
Southern Cross to Geelong (z1 to z4): $0
TOTAL: $11.06

Points to note:
>Travel from Geelong to Southern Cross $3.85, then from Southern Cross to Malmsbury only $1.68. In one journey (ie point of departure to final destination within the Myki system), Myki doesn't charge travel in the same zones more than once. I had already been charged by Myki for travelling in zones 1-4 (Geelong to Southern Cross). I ended up at Malmsbury (z7), so therefore the z1-4 travel was deducted from the z1-7 travel. So $1.68 was obviously for travel in the remaining 3 zones (zones 5 to 7).
I assume that Myki regards one journey as 2 trips within the Myki 2 hour window?

>No free weekend travel allowance. Once a DSP/carer allowance concession card Myki holder travels more than 2 adjacent zones, they lose the consecutive zone free weekend travel allowance and pay for all zones travelled in.

>Had I bought a V/Line paper ticket at the Geelong booking office, the entire Geelong-Malmsbury return trip would have cost me over $28.
As charged in my Myki account, Myki charged me an off peak, concession return fare of $11.06.
  usedtobered Locomotive Fireman

Sorry to bring up my old post again, but I have been reliably told that certain regional train passengers are unfortunately exploiting MYKI in the following fashion:
Purchase a new card in your favourite regional location./Go into a negative balance situation when you get to Southern Cross./ Toss MYKI away.
Then do the same when you return home.
This is very dishonest, I hope the staff at PTV are looking at this one.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
It's a weakness which the present system is powerless to prevent.
  Piecost Station Staff

I understand that some of the conductors are telling people that they do not have enough money on their Myki for the journey and must top up.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Remember we are also dealing with a fundamental system change which is all-new for most country people.  Until now they have always paid cash to the conductor and obtained a paper ticket or simply bought a ticket at the ticket office.  They now need to rent a card first in addition to paying the fare and the fare isn't a fixed amount either as it can depend upon other travels made.

That might be comprehensible for the younger city generations but not so much for older country folk who still measure their height in feet and inches, their weight in pounds and give you directions in terms of "Take a left by Tom's tank out past the sheep".

Not everyone is computer savvy nor understands the way this system is supposed to work.
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
All of which goes to support the case that Myki is a long way from being the system it was sold as. ........I suspect the only way to find out how Myki deals with this is to travel and find out. Even the "experts" here have over the years (only) been able to offer theoretical answers based upon what Myki might be intended to do but that doesn't always happen in reality.
Gwiwer

Myki is the clunkiest ticketing system ever invented, as well as the most expensive. I touched on and off on a bus to Frankston and on the train there. In Melbourne I touched off and was prevented from leaving at Spencer Street. Only convincing the officer at the gate that I was making a connection to Adelaide and that I had gone through the correct procedures was I allowed to leave.

Here in Adelaide, my Seniors Card has a chip and an Adelaide Metro logo on it. It allows me (and my mobility scooter in one of four dedicated spaces on every train) free travel all day on Saturdays, Sundays and Public Holidays with unlimited transfers over the entire five route system with the longest end to end journey being about 80 kilometres. Touching on is much like Myki, but there is no need to touch off. Each touch on allows two hours from touch on to expiry, so journeys effectively up to three hours in length are possible. School and University issued cards operate similarly, though every trip is charged at a concession rate.

On weekdays travel for Seniors is free from 09.01 to 15.00, and costs only $1.62 outside those times. Small Crouzet (Paris) system card tickets are sold on the trains for occasional travellers, and Metrocards can be topped up on the same on train machines by credit card or cash. Validators look much like the Myki ones. Visitors to Adelaide can either use the card tickets or buy a special Metrocard with distinctive colouring allowing unlimited travel while in Adelaide (with a map of the city and suburbs) for $25 for three days which can be topped up if the visitor stays longer. Interstate Seniors Card holders have only to present their cards at an Adelaide Station ticket office to be given a card ticket for free travel over a period of 14 days.

For the working population the Metrocard fares are $3.29 Peak and $1.80 Interpeak, and there is a 28 day pass option for $114.00., concession holders fir half that. There are Crouzet paper tickets for all day unlimited travel purchasable on trains, trams and buses for $9.40 or $4.70 concession.

Adelaide isn't unique in having such a convenient and cheap system. Other cities around the world manage to do likewise. What did Melbourneians do that they deserved to have Myki thrust upon them?
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
Some pictures to illustrate my earlier post:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42315705@N00/7030368215/in/photostream/

One of the onboard machines in each car on Adelaide trains to issue Crouzet thin cardboard tickets (i" X 2") for casual cash travellers, and for credit charging Metrocards by credit card or cash.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42315705@N00/6884267114/in/set-72157634207543000/

A validator at each door reads and imprints the magnetic strip of the card tickets when they are inserted in a slot, popping them back up, and reads Metrocards when they are touched to the plate with concentric circles. The credit remaining on the Metrocard is displayed and a sound played to indicate validation. Note the dedicated wheelchair spaces on each car of the train in the background.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42315705@N00/6884266368/in/set-72157634207543000/

The front seats of a 3000 class Diesel Electric Multiple Unit car. Passengers in the block of seats to the right of the driver's cabin have a very good view along the track.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
What did Melbourneians do that they deserved to have Myki thrust upon them?

Elected the bumbling buffoons who infest Spring Street and who in turn appoint more bumbling buffoons to manage the public transport. Other opinions are available.

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