What next for the Queensland market?

 
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba

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Unfortunately I have not finished a new coupler height standard for AMRA, and no other overseas standard is close to the Australian prototype coupler height. The standard I will propose will use a height within the prototype variation. For 1:87 scale I would suggest a nominal coupler centre height of 8.7mm for QR narrow gauge.

Terry Flynn

AMRA standards http://www.amra.asn.au/standards.htm

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Terry,

I have just checked the coupler height gauge that I had made from scale interpretation of QR's HOn3.5 and strangely enough, the figure I have is 8.7mm rail top to coupler centre. Your AMRA recommendations and suggested nominal coupler height appear to be pretty right.

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  br30453 Chief Train Controller




Terry,

Thank you for the reference, using TT scale/gauge seems reasonably logical for the wheel/track dimensions, the correct coupler height (as defined by the post from br30453) still leaves the statement unanswered, by what standard is the assumption made, and which one/s is/are deemed correct and/or too high by br30453?

"Teditor"


Ted and Terry,

The standard coupler height for QR rollingstock is 810mm.

This scales out to 9.3mm and is the height adopted by those 1/87 scale modellers with whom I have contact, most of whom have been modelling QR for some time .

The Wuiske QLX and variants conform to this standard.

The Southern Models rollingstock that I have measured have a coupler height of 9.9mm.
This is the correct height for Standard Gauge Rollingstock.

Terry,

What is the basis for your coupler height of 8.7mm?



  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba

Ted and Terry,

The standard coupler height for QR rollingstock is 810mm.

This scales out to 9.3mm and is the height adopted by those 1/87 scale modellers with whom I have contact, most of whom have been modelling QR for some time .

The Wuiske QLX and variants conform to this standard.

The Southern Models rollingstock that I have measured have a coupler height of 9.9mm.
This is the correct height for Standard Gauge Rollingstock.

Terry,

What is the basis for your coupler height of 8.7mm?

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I will stand to be corrected on the coupler height issue, the gauge I had made is fitted with an HOn3 coupler, it was designed with a Kadee #58 in mind, which to hazard a guess will probably match the 9.3mm height (assuming the coupler box may be a tad thicker than the HOn3 one and my measurement did include some visual alignment judgement with the vernier).

  NSWGR1855 Deputy Commissioner






Terry,

Thank you for the reference, using TT scale/gauge seems reasonably logical for the wheel/track dimensions, the correct coupler height (as defined by the post from br30453) still leaves the statement unanswered, by what standard is the assumption made, and which one/s is/are deemed correct and/or too high by br30453?

"Teditor"


Ted and Terry,

The standard coupler height for QR rollingstock is 810mm.

This scales out to 9.3mm and is the height adopted by those 1/87 scale modellers with whom I have contact, most of whom have been modelling QR for some time .

The Wuiske QLX and variants conform to this standard.

The Southern Models rollingstock that I have measured have a coupler height of 9.9mm.
This is the correct height for Standard Gauge Rollingstock.

Terry,

What is the basis for your coupler height of 8.7mm?



"br30453"


I have replied in the Standards Be Nice thread.

Terry Flynn

AMRA standards http://www.amra.asn.au/standards.htm

  Draffa Chief Commissioner

I think the 4000, 4100, PN, 83, ACNs and the new GWA versions would be a big hit! If someone does them i think they'll make a bit of money from them.
"Naz"
I can see some significant wallet pain for us NG modellers if these were released. Smile
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it



I think the 4000, 4100, PN, 83, ACNs and the new GWA versions would be a big hit! If someone does them i think they'll make a bit of money from them.
"Naz"
I can see some significant wallet pain for us NG modellers if these were released. Smile
"Draffa"


Where are the GWN class going to be running? Port Lincoln?  Whyalla?  I'm a bit unsure.

Either way with so many of these locos now being built, they will surely be at least considered by QR manufacturers.  Like the NR proved to be for Austrains, the GT42CU-AC/e's will be around for many many years on the narrow gauge (and more of these locos have been built than NR's!).   If the market continues to grow then whoever builds one will be able to re-run it on several occasions over the coming years.
My question would be how many differences are there between the different classes?  I suspect few, but it could be crucial as to their viability with the small QR market at the moment.  If they are all physically identical, that could make it easier.  With 6 different colour schemes (QR bronco, QRN eagle, QRN meadow lea + Aurizon lettered versions, PN stripes, PN stars, GWA orange), there's plenty of variation.

The only problem I see with the type is that the intermodal versions (4000, PN) should be the most popular by far, but some of the others could be extremely unviable due to their small range of use (ie. on coal lines only).  I base this particularly on the fact that Southern Rail has sold most of their VGK wheat hoppers but apparently still have plenty of coal wagons in stock.  In other words clearly not many people are planning to run huge QR coal trains.  The ACN & GWN versions I would think are also unlikely to sell well simply due to the even smaller market that they will appeal to.  Of course over time, I think that will almost certainly change.

Kind regards,

Toby

  pjknife Assistant Commissioner

Location: Port Lincoln



Where are the GWN class going to be running? Port Lincoln? Whyalla? I'm a bit unsure.
"DQ2004"


I'd love to see a GWN here in Port Lincoln, but three feet of snow in the yard is a more likely occurrence! Unless of course one comes down by road for attention at the EDI workshops. They are intended for the Whyalla iron ore trains, paired with an older loco (one of the 1300s or the ex-WA 1907).

But having said that, if one was produced in HOn3.5, I would find it impossible to resist running one on Minnipa.

Cheers,
Peter

  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia





Where are the GWN class going to be running? Port Lincoln? Whyalla? I'm a bit unsure.
"DQ2004"


I'd love to see a GWN here in Port Lincoln, but three feet of snow in the yard is a more likely occurrence! Unless of course one comes down by road for attention at the EDI workshops. They are intended for the Whyalla iron ore trains, paired with an older loco (one of the 1300s or the ex-WA 1907).

But having said that, if one was produced in HOn3.5, I would find it impossible to resist running one on Minnipa.

Cheers,
Peter

"pjknife"


Was the GWN used as the SG Rio Tinto locos in Weipa ????  If so I'll have to watch closely !!!

Regards,
David Head

  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it



Was the GWN used as the SG Rio Tinto locos in Weipa ???? If so I'll have to watch closely !!!

Regards,
David Head
"dthead"



I don't believe so.  From the look of them the new locos at Weipa are a fairly close match to the (ex) Westrail narrow gauge S class, but not very similar to the GWN's (or any other GT42CUAC).

Kind regards,
Toby

  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia





Was the GWN used as the SG Rio Tinto locos in Weipa ???? If so I'll have to watch closely !!!

Regards,
David Head
"dthead"



I don't believe so. From the look of them the new locos at Weipa are a fairly close match to the (ex) Westrail narrow gauge S class, but not very similar to the GWN's (or any other GT42CUAC).

Kind regards,
Toby

"DQ2004"


So I shoulds see if the WA "S"  has been done as a kit or body....  Thanks !

( still is a Queenslqnd based loco, sort of qualifies for the thread Wink   )

Regards,
David Head



  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it

So with Mr & Mrs Wuiske's latest bit of troublemaking Rolling Eyes, the list looks like this:

Announced:
SRM 2300 class (& DFZ class)
SRM 2000 class railmotors
SRM ALY 4 wheel vans
SRM OLO tank wagons

Released:
Wuiske QLX vans
Wuiske Tautliner vans
SRM VAK hoppers
SRM VGK hoppers
Wuiske KOJX cattle wagons

...any locos on the way Adam & Jade??

All of this within the last 12 months, in fact all of the releases have been in the last 6 months!!

Regards,
Toby

  Jericbro Locomotive Driver


I for one would love to see a modern electric loco, especially given the number operated in QLD. Yes they are restricted to small pockets but I believe interest would increase if decent locos were produced.

If a model of a QR 3800 was produced it effectively give a producer 3 different models (QR, PN and the new BHP) if they were rtr. If they were kit form it gives the modeller a choice of versions to    build. All this from one design.

Yes this is biased as I have waited for 10 yrs to build my layout of the Goonyella coal system and with no electric locos on the horizon it will probably be another 10 before I get the chance.g.

  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba



I for one would love to see a modern electric loco, especially given the number operated in QLD. Yes they are restricted to small pockets but I believe interest would increase if decent locos were produced.

If a model of a QR 3800 was produced it effectively give a producer 3 different models (QR, PN and the new BHP) if they were rtr. If they were kit form it gives the modeller a choice of versions to build. All this from one design.

Yes this is biased as I have waited for 10 yrs to build my layout of the Goonyella coal system and with no electric locos on the horizon it will probably be another 10 before I get the chance.g.

"Jericbro"


Interesting, doesn't Wuiske Models have Overhead Catenary Poles.

  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it



Interesting, doesn't Wuiske Models have Overhead Catenary Poles.

"Teditor"


Yes indeed they do. I didn't realise that they did, until just now.  Of course Southern Rail are producing NSW style masts which will be released in the next couple of months.

Re the electric locos, weren't there kits made of some of them (not the 3800s)?  I don't know who made them or where they were available, but I have seen some of the results.

I personally would also like a QR electric loco, although I'm only really interested in the 35/36/3900 series locos. Only because all of the other ones are dreadfully ugly, IMHO!

However, given that only one QLD loco class has so far been announced RTR, I would be surprised to see an electric loco be the 2nd type announced.

Regards,

Toby

  QR-INTERAIL Deputy Commissioner

Location: Where else, but Queensland

As mentioned Wuiske Models do produce QR catenary masts, however the masts are the "I" beam style as used around the suburban network. These a cast pewter items, which are very sweet indeed. Nice little jig included in the pack to make the arm.


Outside of the Brisbane suburban network, QR use a different "lattice" style mast. As they are quite different, I've always thought about getting a custom item made out of a brass etch.

Re RTR locos; as mentioned, I'd be very surprised to see any of the spark locos being produced earlier in the piece. Obviously SR/PGC/BDM are doing the 2300 Class, an obvious good choice. Popular loco,  goes everywhere around the State. That's what you want.

My bet. 1700/1720 Class.

Reason: Large operating era and area. Multiple versions. 1700, 1720, 1720 DOO, 1720 Maxi. Multiple liveries. QR Blue & White x 2, Broncos, Kuranda, bastardised QR/Aurizon. Plus their just a beast of a loco! 8)

From the 1720 Class, the 4000/4100, PN, 8300, GWN should be a winner. However I think a 1502 Class (& 423 Class) would deliver well.

The benefit of producing QR locos is that their are a lot of common parts. The "big" 90 tonners 1550 Class onwards, then the little 90 tonners 1502 and earlier. Smart design work would allow tooling to be reused for multiple classes.

That's my two bobs.

  appleby Deputy Commissioner

Location: South of the Tweed - In Canberra.



As mentioned Wuiske Models do produce QR catenary masts, however the masts are the "I" beam style as used around the suburban network. These a cast pewter items, which are very sweet indeed. Nice little jig included in the pack to make the arm.


Outside of the Brisbane suburban network, QR use a different "lattice" style mast. As they are quite different, I've always thought about getting a custom item made out of a brass etch.

Re RTR locos; as mentioned, I'd be very surprised to see any of the spark locos being produced earlier in the piece. Obviously SR/PGC/BDM are doing the 2300 Class, an obvious good choice. Popular loco, goes everywhere around the State. That's what you want.

My bet. 1700/1720 Class.

Reason: Large operating era and area. Multiple versions. 1700, 1720, 1720 DOO, 1720 Maxi. Multiple liveries. QR Blue & White x 2, Broncos, Kuranda, bastardised QR/Aurizon. Plus their just a beast of a loco! 8)

From the 1720 Class, the 4000/4100, PN, 8300, GWN should be a winner. However I think a 1502 Class (& 423 Class) would deliver well.

The benefit of producing QR locos is that their are a lot of common parts. The "big" 90 tonners 1550 Class onwards, then the little 90 tonners 1502 and earlier. Smart design work would allow tooling to be reused for multiple classes.

That's my two bobs.

"QR-INTERAIL"

Definately agree with the RtR 1720 being a potentially good winner. Smile
  Huggies Chief Commissioner

Location: DFC Land :(

Re the electric locos, weren't there kits made of some of them (not the 3800s)?
"DQ2004"


Far North Hobbies did produce a 3500 / 3900 kit in limited numbers. The biggest issue was obtaining the tri-bo mechanism.

  Lemonz2 Beginner

Hey guys,

I will have Queensland scenery for sale up on my website which will be up and running in the next few months due to university commitments. I will be releasing catenarys of all different kinds. I will also be making small country stations and light poles for streets both modern and past. One thing I am very keen to release are a variety of trestle bridge packs. Depending on how those and many other products go, I'll begin making HOn3 rolling stock that are RTR. Watch the space this will be available soon!
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

I for one would love to see a modern electric loco, especially given the number operated in QLD. Yes they are restricted to small pockets but I believe interest would increase if decent locos were produced.
Jericbro
With a little Modellers Licence, I'd have them hauling intermodal freights North from Brisbane. Smile



Re RTR locos; as mentioned, I'd be very surprised to see any of the spark locos being produced earlier in the piece. Obviously SR/PGC/BDM are doing the 2300 Class, an obvious good choice. Popular loco,  goes everywhere around the State. That's what you want.
My bet. 1700/1720 Class.
Reason: Large operating era and area. Multiple versions. 1700, 1720, 1720 DOO, 1720 Maxi. Multiple liveries. QR Blue & White x 2, Broncos, Kuranda, bastardised QR/Aurizon. Plus their just a beast of a loco! 8)
QR-INTERAIL
I'll take four at least, to complement my three Wuiske kits. One in each Blue+White livery and two in Bronco. Smile
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
My goodness. So since just October last year we have now had released the following:
Wuiske QLX vans
Wuiske Tautliner vans
SRM VAK hoppers
SRM VGK hoppers
Wuiske KOJX cattle wagons
Wuiske OLO oil tank wagons

These have been announced (since only May last year):
SRM 2300 class (& DFZ class)
SRM 2000 class railmotors
SRM ALY 4 wheel vans
SRM OLO tank wagons

All for a market that at the end of 2011 had no RTR mass-produced models available at all!
  tabmow68 Station Master

Location: Brisbane
With a little Modellers Licence, I'd have them hauling intermodal freights North from Brisbane. Smile



I'll take four at least, to complement my three Wuiske kits. One in each Blue+White livery and two in Bronco. Smile
"Draffa"


Black Diamond Models (http://www.blackdiamondmodels.com.au/) has both the 1700 and 1720 which are provided as ready to run, although I couldn't find them on his site.

As for the electric locos, I remember them some years ago when they ran through Brisbane on the North Coast Line hauling freight and on passenger services.  I know there were some pictures in the Railways of Queensland books, especially Vol 6.  Page 8 shows 3903 hauling an SX set to Petrie through Eagle Junction and page 9 has 3916 running around its coaches at Ferny Grove (SX sets are also available from BDM).  Page 12 has a shot of 9 or 10 3900s in Mayne yard from Dec 1992.  These volumes (or whatever ones are left) are available from AMRA QLD, PO Box 352 Zillmere QLD 4034.  Vol 6 was also available on CD.

Cheers,
Bazza
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
This thread has been quiet for a while. Nor have we had any new releases from anyone.
The other day I lined up my now burgeoningly large QR collection. The locos are all by Black Diamond Models. I haven't started on my kits yet. I have over 70 wagons. Embarassed



Models released:
Wuiske QLX vans
Wuiske Tautliner vans
SRM VAK hoppers
SRM VGK hoppers
Wuiske KOJX cattle wagons
Wuiske OLO oil tank wagons
SRM ALY 4 wheel vans

Models announced:
SRM 2300 class (& DFZ class)
SRM 2000 class railmotors
SRM OLO tank wagons


From the recent updates by SRM, the tank wagons should still get here in a few months, hopefully, but I'd say the 2300's are looking pretty unlikely for this year, sadly.

Regards all,
Toby
  manonthewall Station Staff

As for the electric locos, I remember them some years ago when they ran through Brisbane on the North Coast Line hauling freight and on passenger services.
tabmow6

They surely did.  They hauled passenger and freight between Rockhampton and Emerald too.
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
THE RTR LIST


Models released:
Wuiske QLX vans
Wuiske Tautliner vans
SRM VAK hoppers
SRM VGK hoppers
Wuiske KOJX cattle wagons
Wuiske OLO oil tank wagons
SRM ALY 4 wheel vans

Models announced:
SRM 2300 class (& DFZ class)
Wuiske 1550 class
SRM 2000 class railmotors
SRM OLO tank wagons


Small update to the list there!
Now two QR locos announced. Not sure which will arrive first, although I'd guess the Wuiske one will be.

The QLD market had been a little quiet of late, no more!
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
Models released:
Wuiske QLX vans
Wuiske Tautliner vans
SRM VAK hoppers
SRM VGK hoppers
Wuiske KOJX cattle wagons
Wuiske OLO oil tank wagons
SRM ALY 4 wheel vans

Wuiske 1550 class locomotive

Models announced:
SRM 2300 class (& DFZ class) locomotive
SRM 2000 class railmotors
SRM OLO tank wagons



Congratulations to Wuiske Models for the first ever RTR (plastic injection moulded) HOn3.5 scale locomotive ever released for the Queensland (and Australian) market.


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