Some Mothers Do Have Them – A PassengerSafety Thread

 
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
Yesterday I joined a 3000 set at about 15.45 to journey to Adelaide Showground and Mitcham, the best route for such a trip from the Seaford line stations because of the common platform for transfer. I sat on one of the seats with a view of the track to see what I could of the changes at Tonsley Junction.

At Marion I was surprised to see the driver emerge from his cabin and walk to the door, though I'd seen no wheelchair waiting. He proceeded past my window to the barrier fence at the end of the platform and jumped down onto the track. He then manhandled a middle aged man carrying a shopping bag onto the platform and remonstrated with him. It was quite a feat to lift the person, who had been completely invisible from my seat until the driver intervened. He was last seen walking down the ramp with the alighting passengers, who seemed just as astonished as I was. Whether he had been trying to take a short cut along the line to avoid the tunnel, I do not know, but that he was a fool, I am sure.

Have any of you similar stories of idiotic behaviour around trains?

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  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Hmmm. As a Suburban Driver I have plenty of these type of stories. What I am unsure of is are they appropriate to share on this forum? And more the point, is it really something that I want others to see and potentially do themselves (given that obviously not everyone has thought of these things).

I suppose, what I am suggesting is that from my perspective, I think its a poor idea to discuss this type of thing on an open forum for the risk of copy cats doing it, and putting themselves and others are risk.
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
I suppose, what I am suggesting is that from my perspective, I think its a poor idea to discuss this type of thing on an open forum for the risk of copy cats doing it, and putting themselves and others are risk.
Jumbo200

I can understand your feelings. It must be traumatic in the extreme to have to sit at the controls and despite emergency action on your part be able to do nothing about the situation.

I doubt that anyone interested in reading Railpage Australia™ would be the kind of person to cause you this kind of trouble, but if others agree with you I am happy to delete my posting. My motive in mentioning this at all was and is sincere sympathy for drivers caught in such a position, and the hope that stupidity such as yesterday's incident should bring very severe deterrent consequences to all such transgressors.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I suppose, what I am suggesting is that from my perspective, I think its a poor idea to discuss this type of thing on an open forum for the risk of copy cats doing it, and putting themselves and others are risk.
"Jumbo2001"
I would suggest that this may apply equally to train drivers as it does to potential trespassers. I can't imagine that the management (who would surely monitor this forum if they are even a little competent) or loss adjusters would be too happy to learn that drivers are manhandling members of the public.
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
I would suggest that this may apply equally to train drivers as it does to potential trespassers. I can't imagine that the management (who would surely monitor this forum if they are even a little competent) or loss adjusters would be too happy to learn that drivers are manhandling members of the public.
justapassenger

My use of the word 'manhandling' was not in any way meant to be an accusation of assault, but rather a comment on the physical strength needed to haul the trespasser from track to platform level without any apparent assistance from him. At no time was the driver less than proper in his treatment of the man, and one of my reasons for posting the message was my admiration for his restraint in admonishing the offender after immediately releasing him and finally letting him go with no more than a well deserved flea in his ear.

As for rail management monitoring what we say here, I have long hoped that they might take notice of the many sensible suggestions made, but have reluctantly come to the conclusion that they take no notice of us whatever.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

I would suggest that this may apply equally to train drivers as it does to potential trespassers. I can't imagine that the management (who would surely monitor this forum if they are even a little competent) or loss adjusters would be too happy to learn that drivers are manhandling members of the public.
justapassenger


I think you would be right there. I mean, sure I have had to stop and yell at people to make them move out of dangerous situations near the track, but never swearing at them, or physically moving them. I have always taken the view if with my coercion from the window, or the carriage door does not get the desired result I will just sit and wait for someone (NOS or Senior PSA) to come out and handle it.

I may have to keep my ear to the ground and find out what went on with that story though SAR526!
  davida62 Station Master

Further to this, I saw two muppets with their bikes inside the train corridor just south of Marino Rocks yesterday. Only a brief view from the motor car but I reckon they were young adults (not kids), one male and one female. I can only guess they had taken a short cut from one of the properties on the high side of the rail line and were preparing to lift their bikes over the fence to get onto the bikeway parallel with the line. Candidates for the Darwin awards!
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Sitting at Woodville one day going to Port Adelaide. I had to wait for the Outer Harbor train to roll up. Anyway 3 youngish people walk up the ramp from the pedestrian crossing there and proceed to walk down the platform past the building and keep walking. Then they calmly as anything jump down on the tracks and start to walk down the track towards St Clair station. I watched them all the time luckily for them nothing came along as they were actually walking between the rails of the down track, that is going the same way as the rail traffic. Well when my train rocked up I got into the front car and the driver had to get a wheelchair off. So I informed him of what happened. I don't know what he did about it though but by the time we got to St Clair station and left they were long gone.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Broadcast this morning; very sobering.

After The Impact
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
Yes, it is not a pretty sight.
  waylander Station Master

There have been many very close near misses I have personally encountered whilst crewing trains on the south coast. A number of times I have encountered pedestrians walking along the line from boomers beach towards victor harbour, instead of using the bike track near by or the beach, more
Often than not they have music playing through ear plugs and only move out the way when they physically feel the vibrations of the train in the track. That is above the usual level crossing near misses.
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
......I have always taken the view if with my coercion from the window, or the carriage door does not get the desired result I will just sit and wait for someone (NOS or Senior PSA) to come out and handle it.

I may have to keep my ear to the ground and find out what went on with that story though SAR526!
Jumbo2001

That would mean considerable delay to your train, the needs of your passengers, and probably disruption to the timetable for following movements in both directions. In any case there was a climb from track to platform level involved which would not have been easy for the trespasser concerned. I saw the driver's actions as helping him and only that. We were on our way with very little fuss and time wasted, and passengers suffered no inconvenience.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Broadcast this morning; very sobering.

After The Impact
kipioneer

Tank you Neil.

Very sobering, particularly the bit about hear the head bouncing about under the train.

There was once I bloke who, from what we can understand, committed suicide at BHP Whyalla. There was a weigh car that ran along rails on bogies. He had put his head on the rail between the bogies where the driver could not see him. The driver did but only after he had gone along the track to discharge his load. I was nearby but didn't go over to have a look, it wasn't an electrical problem so I kept away.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

That would mean considerable delay to your train, the needs of your passengers, and probably disruption to the timetable for following movements in both directions. In any case there was a climb from track to platform level involved which would not have been easy for the trespasser concerned. I saw the driver's actions as helping him and only that. We were on our way with very little fuss and time wasted, and passengers suffered no inconvenience.
SAR526


Its one of those 'each to their own' moments. For me, Safety doesn't take a break. Safety comes before timetables, before what the passengers want, and before me having an ontime break. Good on the driver for helping out, even though they were trespassing, but it does not consider what would have happened had the driver hurt himself doing that? What if the trespasser was going to tee off on him?

I would sooner delay a service than risk safety. Thats the angle that I come at it from.

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