New colours for the Melbourne rail maps

 
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
This is the first I've seen this map - apparently it's now in place at three 'rainbow map' trial stations - Malvern, Bentleigh & Moorabbin along with new rainbow indicator screens.  It looks interesting. Each line has now been given a colour, and as you can see the Frankston line has been linked through the Werribee/Williamstown. At least the angles of the graphics makes it slightly less confusing although the zones have been removed. of interest is that the Regional Rail lines have been incorporated into the map.

Link to the article:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rail-map-gets-a-rainbow-update-20140421-36zsy.html

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Someone obviously went to Sydney, and observed what they've been doing there for years.
  Tulloch4808 Locomotive Fireman

And where is the new  line from South Werribee and the stations at Wyndham Vale and Tarneit?
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
It's a great improvement on the old map as people can now easily see the routes that individual trains actually run, although perhaps including rural lines adds a little unnecessary clutter?

My only criticism is that Spencer Street Station hasn't been reinstated, despite any number of opinion polls endorsing it and it being Liberal party policy to do so. But I guess that's a different issue that should be dealt with separately.
  gmanning1 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Someone obviously went to Sydney, and observed what they've been doing there for years.
Valvegear

Hmm not too recently because the new version doesn't really show how the lines work. Inner west now terminates at Homebush but you'd never tell that by looking at the new map.
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

And where is the new line from South Werribee and the stations at Wyndham Vale and Tarneit?
Tulloch4808

Monumental stuff up.
  HardSleeper Junior Train Controller

Location: Route 48
Monumental stuff up.
"blowfish"


Or just waiting until said line is actually open?

But anyhow, the map looks mostly fine. And although I realise geographical accuracy is going to be sacrificed on these sorts of maps, I'd prefer Camberwell - Ringwood to be horizontal and Windsor - Sandringham to be vertical...
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I like the way the Craigieburn line has been bent to the east at the northern end, perhaps anticipating a reconnection with the Upfield line in the future?

And shouldn't the Williamstown line be in pink, as few trains run direct to there from the city? In the same way that the Alamein line is a light blue branch off the dark blue Ringwood line?
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
happy easter all.

the obvious missing component is the rrl lines.  why have these been omitted?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
happy easter all.

the obvious missing component is the rrl lines. why have these been omitted?
JimYarin

Maybe this map will be released prior to RRL completion?
  AdrianW2 Beginner

Hi everyone
PTV is taking questions on the map over at Daniel Bowen's blog.
And of course the map was designed with RRL in mind - if you continue the line at Deer Park down then it intersects with Little River.
All designed - but we aren't showing it yet (turned that layer on) because the maps are being tested with customers in the field. And of course when RRL opens then the V/Line service that parallels the Werribee line disappears.
Regards
Adrian
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
On the whole it's an improvement as it is both diagrammatic (easy to read) and systematic (shows the routes trains actually take) so while not showing the fare zones these can be overlaid as London does very effectively if it were required. London also copes perfectly well with overlaps as has Melbourne with previous versions.

One risk is placing too much information in one place. There may never be a perfect map but the function of a map is fundamentally geographic rather than encyclopaedic. It's probably OK to overlay zones in light type / background shading but not to also attempt to include any more information such as service headways, stopping patterns or onward connections on a map of this sort.

Again comparing with the London tube map that does not show such things but there are line diagrams which do. Their trains are for the most part captive to a single line where ours are not but there is nothing to stop line diagrams with onward connecting information being displayed at stations.

A map of this sort can be condensed into a fold-out pocket size (again as London and other cities manage very effectively) and can be poster-sized with maximum visual impact just as readily.

No map will capture every little nuance of the service pattern while still being effective and easy to read. The Altona loop and Williamstown services could be different colours but are fundamentally a part of the same service group even if they don't enjoy through trains between each and every station at all times. Alamein is shown suitably as part-time through to the City so perhaps Williamstown could be likewise in its own colour. Too many colours together tends to confuse and detract from the overall impact however.

It gets a thumbs-up from me.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
And shouldn't the Williamstown line be in pink, as few trains run direct to there from the city? In the same way that the Alamein line is a light blue branch off the dark blue Ringwood line?

No.

The Sandringham Line is pink. That is a dedicated service not advertised as running through to anywhere else despite what individual trains might do in reality.

The light and dark blue for Alamein / other Burnley Group lines is perhaps coincidental. Williamstown does not branch off the Sandringham line but off the Werribee line. As such there is nothing wrong in having it the same colour as Werribee. If it were to have its own colour then orange is available.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
I think it's terrible compared to the current map, but thats no surprise as in Victoria we are only interested in making things worse instead of improving them.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
No train is ever advertised as through running, you don't see a train at Werribee that is "stopping all stations to Frankston". Many trams  and a few buses (soon to be a lot less) truly run though the city.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
While that is correct the great majority of Werribee / Frankston line trains are through-routed (those which run via the City Loop are the main exceptions) and for operational purposes are known as the Cross-City Service Group and treated as a through service.

It is not usually necessary to change trains to travel between, for example, Hoppers Crossing and Highett.
  frezno Junior Train Controller

But Gwiwer, can you guarantee that? Because that abomination of a map suggests that trains from Werribee go to Frankston 100% of the time, a big statement from a place as variable as Melbourne's Public Transport.
Are people still standing around in a circle jerking off over the "Cross City" group? Really? What a joke..
  712M Chief Commissioner

One suggestion I would make is to highlight stations that shortworking trains terminate at. Watergardens, Eltham, Greensborough, Blackburn and Westall come to mind as not all trains run to the end of the line, even on weekends.

It would also be useful to indicate that Cranbourne trains only run through to the city during the day.
  gmanning1 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Hmm not too recently because the new version doesn't really show how the lines work. Inner west now terminates at Homebush but you'd never tell that by looking at the new map.
gmanning1

Oh dear, slow news weekend.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydneys-new-train-map-likely-to-confuse-visitors-experts-warn-20140425-zqz93.html
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Poor map for a poor system.

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