A-City trains

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I laughed so hard when TransAdelaide named a 3000 after Diana Laidlaw...
justapassenger

I laughed even harder when I saw that picture of her in her bikini in the Advertiser.

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

We have been told on these pages that that event did not happen?
"steam4ian"
Really? I only remember some weak attempts at obfuscation which reminded me of "there are no American tanks in Baghdad."

If there hasn't been such an incident I would like to know what is happening rather than just weak denials of what is not happening.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

At long last, I managed to ride a spark to Seaford. 4003 out and 4002 back. Considering the line was shut for a year for complete rebuilding and the train was brand new purpose built stock, I was underwhelmed by the ride quality which I would call poor, almost hunting. It compared very poorly with a recent run to Springfield Central. Any other comments on train riding quality?
Last I heard from a good source was that 4007 will not start arriving till late May. Too late for Tonsley.
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
At long last, I managed to ride a spark to Seaford. 4003 out and 4002 back. Considering the line was shut for a year for complete rebuilding and the train was brand new purpose built stock, I was underwhelmed by the ride quality which I would call poor, almost hunting. It compared very poorly with a recent run to Springfield Central. Any other comments on train riding quality?

Last I heard from a good source was that 4007 will not start arriving till late May. Too late for Tonsley.
62440

Totally agree about the terrible ride quality.  Whenever I catch an EMU that will be travelling over the faster sections of track south of Marino, I need to find a seat in the middle of the railcar, because sitting at the ends over the bogies is so rough it makes me nauseous - and I don't normally suffer travel sickness.

I was trying (unsuccessfully) to look back in the forum for when 4006 was delivered.  Seems like ages ago.   Anyone know how long the interval will be between arrival of 4006 & 4007?  

Maybe the Government are hanging out until start of the next Financial Year before paying for any more trains, to make this year's State deficit slightly less unpalatable?  i.e. 4007 is delivered late May (with invoice taped to front), 30 Days payment terms, plus a week or so delay "waiting for the cheque to be signed" = payment to Bombardier in first week of July. Wink
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Near the bridge and going over the bridge at Christie Downs can get very wobbly I think that's the most severe part of it on the line it can also be bad towards Mile End
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Totally agree about the terrible ride quality. Whenever I catch an EMU that will be travelling over the faster sections of track south of Marino, I need to find a seat in the middle of the railcar, because sitting at the ends over the bogies is so rough it makes me nauseous - and I don't normally suffer travel sickness.

I was trying (unsuccessfully) to look back in the forum for when 4006 was delivered. Seems like ages ago. Anyone know how long the interval will be between arrival of 4006 & 4007?

Maybe the Government are hanging out until start of the next Financial Year before paying for any more trains, to make this year's State deficit slightly less unpalatable? i.e. 4007 is delivered late May (with invoice taped to front), 30 Days payment terms, plus a week or so delay "waiting for the cheque to be signed" = payment to Bombardier in first week of July. Wink
1S47

Part delivery 4006A reported on 26 Feb: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1896218.htm#1896218
Seen testing 13 Mar: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1898964.htm#1898964

Alex C
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It's quite a while (maybe six to eight weeks by going back in this thread) since the last completion; would I be right in observing there's a substantial delay here? I can't find reference on the internet to a delay but presumably they're much further behind now. As Ian observes it buggers up any 15/30 minute frequencies on the Seaford/Tonsley lines unless delivery speeds up or they find a way of getting the Jumbos running across the network temporarily?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
..............or they find a way of getting the Jumbos running across the network temporarily?
"don_dunstan"


Don, the Jumbos are running on the Gawler, Outer Harbor and Grange lines.

(Even saw a three car 3000 set on the grange line this evening!! )
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, the Jumbos are running on the Gawler, Outer Harbor and Grange lines.

(Even saw a three car 3000 set on the grange line this evening!! )
Pressman

Okay so it would make no difference presumably - although once Gawler gets underway though (wires to Dry Creek) they can't run there any longer either?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Okay so it would make no difference presumably - although once Gawler gets underway though (wires to Dry Creek) they can't run there any longer either?
"don_dunstan"


Yes Don, once the wires get to Dry Creek we can pretty much kiss the Jumbos goodbye!
One would expect that all the 4000's would all be here and operational by then!
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Conversely that also means they can't start Dry Creek till the A-City order can entirely replace the Jumbos (plus spare units for contingency)... whenever that is. Oh well.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Does anyone have any more info on if/when Bombardier are going to resume assembly and delivery of the A-City order? The silence is rather deafening!

This April marks the one year anniversary of the second time we were told by self-proclaimed insiders that the first unit would be arriving soon with a full unit arriving once a fortnight after that.

Conversely that also means they can't start Dry Creek till the A-City order can entirely replace the Jumbos (plus spare units for contingency)... whenever that is. Oh well.
"don_dunstan"
The 'tasks' for the electric units would basically work out as follows:

1-2: Increase the fleet to allow services on the longer Seaford line to commence (done)
3-6: Cascade DEMUs to strengthen consists on the other lines (partially done).
7-16: Cascade more DEMUs so that Jumbos can be relegated to lighter service on peak expresses and post-football trains, then retired completely.
17-18: Add spare capacity so EMUs out of service do not require spares to be found from the DEMU fleet.
19-22: Add extra capacity allowing for increased Tonsley frequency serving the 600 space park-and-ride, and for 2xEMU consists on premier peak trains and post-football trains.

If/when Salisbury gets electrified (just because it's been announced three times doesn't mean it will happen) a couple of EMUs can be borrowed from the Seaford line to run Adelaide-Salisbury trains and give the north a little electric love. To avoid this impacting on the number of double consist peak trains to Seaford, peak Tonsley trains could be run by a DEMU instead of an EMU.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Although vigorously denied from semi official channels delivery progress has not negated the story about 4007 falling off the back of a truck.

Progress is glacial.

I am starting to put some money on the 2000s being cheaply converted to go under the wires, after all it was rumoured to be Bombardier that came up with proposals. Justapax has raised the issue of football loads, the 2000s could yet find a job.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Although vigorously denied from semi official channels delivery progress has not negated the story about 4007 falling off the back of a truck.

Progress is glacial.

I am starting to put some money on the 2000s being cheaply converted to go under the wires, after all it was rumoured to be Bombardier that came up with proposals. Justapax has raised the issue of football loads, the 2000s could yet find a job.
steam4ian

But even glaciers move.LaughingLaughing
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
...hhhmmmmm.....I think there's more likelihood of the NRM Redhens being bonded etc., to go under the live wires than there is the 2000 Jumbos being done....? Shocked
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

But even glaciers move.LaughingLaughing
"nm39"
Maybe more like the pitch drop experiment ... except even that delivered a big result a few days ago!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Although vigorously denied from semi official channels delivery progress has not negated the story about 4007 falling off the back of a truck.

Progress is tectonic.

I am starting to put some money on the 2000s being cheaply converted to go under the wires, after all it was rumoured to be Bombardier that came up with proposals. Justapax has raised the issue of football loads, the 2000s could yet find a job.
steam4ian

I am thinking that putting money on SteamRanger being able to lease an Rx (or both) to AdMet to press back into revenue service on the network (with centre loaders no less) in quicker time than Bombardier can complete the spark contract is not a silly bet.

I also note that those who poured scorn on your post and mine surrounding a happening to 4007 have been quite conspicuous by their absence in providing a (presumably) more accurate explanation of the situation. What has Bombardier been telling both it's employees and the department in terms of explanation? I would have a guess at saying the statements feature more spin than Nigel Mansell with a blown tire in Adelaide 1986. "Bombardier wishes to advise that the deliveries of 4007 et al are not late, they are merely not presently on time."
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Maybe more like the pitch drop experiment ... except even that delivered a big result a few days ago!
justapassenger

I wonder if it is true that Bombardier (or some miscellaneous freight company) performed a '4007 drop' experiment at some stage?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The drop experiment would certainly account for delivery delays.

Unit falls off truck, hasty inspection says the damage is slight so it goes straight back on the production slot it just vacated. Horror of horrors the damage is worse than thought, may be even structural. Now they have a crippled unit on the production line clogging up said line. Couple to that delays while the whole issue is fought out with insurance companies for Bombardier and the carrier. Ouch!

I take no pleasure writing this, I have been there one time too many. Not something I wish on anybody.

A plausible explanation until somebody in the know gives us a reasonable alternative.

Ian
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
The drop experiment would certainly account for delivery delays.

Unit falls off truck, hasty inspection says the damage is slight so it goes straight back on the production slot it just vacated. Horror of horrors the damage is worse than thought, may be even structural. Now they have a crippled unit on the production line clogging up said line. Couple to that delays while the whole issue is fought out with insurance companies for Bombardier and the carrier. Ouch!

I take no pleasure writing this, I have been there one time too many. Not something I wish on anybody.

A plausible explanation until somebody in the know gives us a reasonable alternative.

Ian
steam4ian

Even if there had been a mishap with 4007 by now that unit could be sidelined and 2008 could have been completed and delivered working off the previous rate of deliveries and 2009 should now be ready for delivery, perhaps the slowdown has other reasons?
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
Even if there had been a mishap with 4007 by now that unit could be sidelined and 2008 could have been completed and delivered working off the previous rate of deliveries and 2009 should now be ready for delivery, perhaps the slowdown has other reasons?
Mufreight

Could it be that the builders have simply bitten off more than they can chew? Maybe their Victorian clients have put pressure on them to deliver – or else! One thing is certain. What we write here, being bears of very limited knowledge, will have no effect on the speed of delivery to Adelaide. Let's just be thankful that the days of being without trains on the southern lines are at last coming to an end.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I am thinking that putting money on SteamRanger being able to lease an Rx (or both) to AdMet to press back into revenue service on the network (with centre loaders no less) in quicker time than Bombardier can complete the spark contract is not a silly bet.
"Aaron"
I don't think so. The continuation of the current rate (6 units in 16 months from the announced initial delivery date) would give SteamRanger until November 2017 to beat Bombardier - but SteamRanger would struggle to even make a decision in that time.

On a slight tangent Aaron, the pitch drop experiment is actually slower than the northwards movement of the Australian tectonic plate.

Has anybody gone to Dandenong or given them a phone call to see if there's even anyone there and that they haven't done a runner?
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
Speculation only, but as I understand it, the competition for space on the production line at Bombardier Dandenong is between orders for more VLocity railcars for V/Line, the A-City trains for Adelaide and E-class trams for Melbourne.

Maybe Bombardier considers its longer-term interests are better served by giving priority to the Victorian orders.  After all, PT-V will be buying E-class trams for some years to come, while who knows if/when Bombardier might get another order for South Australian trains?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don't think so. The continuation of the current rate (6 units in 16 months from the announced initial delivery date) would give SteamRanger until November 2017 to beat Bombardier - but SteamRanger would struggle to even make a decision in that time.
justapassenger

Hehehe, I was giving SteamRanger a touch more credit, I have heard about some of their internal happenings and organised is not the word I would attach to them.

On a slight tangent Aaron, the pitch drop experiment is actually slower than the northwards movement of the Australian tectonic plate.
justapassenger

I sort of knew that, but it was a correction of glacial, in the scheme of things (well if you talk to a geologist at least) both glaciers and tectonic plate shifting are relatively quick. Only a geologist would look at their Aunty Thelma on her 113th birthday and say 'wow, you're actually really young' and genuinely mean it.

Has anybody gone to Dandenong or given them a phone call to see if there's even anyone there and that they haven't done a runner?
justapassenger

The GF was only there a matter of two weeks ago, didn't think to send her for a reccy.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
who knows if/when Bombardier might get another order for South Australian trains?
1S47

On the strength of this contract fulfilment, possibly never.

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