R766 SG Conversion

 
Topic moved from Locomotives and Rolling Stock by dthead on 25 Apr 2014 17:17
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
Any news on how far this conversion has progressed and the likelihood of it ever actually seeing operation on SG rails anywhere?

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Last heard this locomotive was on lease to a group up around the hunter valley in NSW.

It would be great to get an update.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I know the desire to find out more about something. In this internet age one thinks people can keep each other up to date, almost on a daily basis. But it does not work that way. Many groups find information valuable, or senesitive. Security of the items is also a consideration. This makes telling other what's happening a lot harder.

I know I'd even say, what's the harm, but parts have been stolen, locos defaced, company/society reputation tarnished. It is true when there is significant information of interest, it comes out, perhaps not here but in the media. Also often cited "no news is, well no news" . We understand the people working on these locos no lomger come here, if ever, and prefer to work on the locos rather than spend their time on informing others.

This reply does not help, but just explaining why such request for information may not get any credible information. No need to put people asking down, it's natural to want to know "how's it going". Someone might respond, you never know. do not "expect" a reply.

So, where were we, seeing if there is an update on this loco. Even if we can hear the last official update/status........

Regards,
David Head
  ivahri Train Controller
  scumcock Locomotive Fireman

"Repainted back to similar colours as they first were back in 1944" seems legit.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

http://thespiritofthehunter.tripod.com/index.html
ivahri

Can anyone get the video to work. I cannot and I have every video program known to man.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
"Repainted back to similar colours as they first were back in 1944" seems legit.
scumcock


Except a R was never built and run in the 1940's  Hmmm  The red loco below, looks a bit like a R but colours should be Black with red deflectors and a red line.  Me thinks facts are being forgotten when a slick presentation invents their own.....

Regards,
David Head
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
http://thespiritofthehunter.tripod.com/index.html
ivahri

Ye gods - I hope that the work that has been done on the loco has been done more carefully than the preparation of the flyer on the above link.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
The Canadian Red colour scheme was about the VR in pre-war days and plans for a loco like the R were certainly arranged by 1944.

Interestingly it says it has been converted from 'board gauge' .  The precursors of railways were wagon trammels ie. boards, laid about 5 feet apart, centre to centre. When flanges were introduced it created a gauge about 4' 81/2".  Thus that is what 'board gauge' should mean.


Has it been re-converted to another gauge and which one ?
  TomBTR Chief Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
Can anyone get the video to work. I cannot and I have every video program known to man.
nswtrains

It looks like the video has been removed from video hosting service.

In general, anyone who puts up a website should include a date somewhere. The Spirit of the Hunter information could be days or decades old for all we know.

I agree with the earlier comment about the English of the website. One does not need to be literate to chip paint off rust but just about every other aspect of railway restoration needs a reasonable degree of literacy and numeracy. So I am not holding my breath to see this engine run in the Hunter, but if they do get it running I shall be pleased to pay to ride once or twice.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
I know the desire to find out more about something. In this internet age one thinks people can keep each other up to date, almost on a daily basis. But it does not work that way. Many groups find information valuable, or senesitive. Security of the items is also a consideration. This makes telling other what's happening a lot harder.

I know I'd even say, what's the harm, but parts have been stolen, locos defaced, company/society reputation tarnished. It is true when there is significant information of interest, it comes out, perhaps not here but in the media. Also often cited "no news is, well no news" . We understand the people working on these locos no lomger come here, if ever, and prefer to work on the locos rather than spend their time on informing others.

This reply does not help, but just explaining why such request for information may not get any credible information. No need to put people asking down, it's natural to want to know "how's it going". Someone might respond, you never know. do not "expect" a reply.

So, where were we, seeing if there is an update on this loco. Even if we can hear the last official update/status........

Regards,
David Head
dthead

I understand your reasoning here David but with respect I do not at all agree with you.

Look at how well Canberra ARHS keep the community up to date on 6029 via the blog.  Sparking and maintaining interest in the community is very important for such projects to be successful.  It does not take that much effort.  One person could write a paragraph or two every month or so.  Think of the donations, volunteers and other resources that engaging with people like us could attract.
  gringo Locomotive Driver

Location: Pakenham Victoria
R 766, gauge conversion & operation on NSW rails is like Area 51, believe it when I can see it , touch it & smell it.
That's my sarcasm done for the day.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I understand your reasoning here David but with respect I do not at all agree with you.

Look at how well Canberra ARHS keep the community up to date on 6029 via the blog. Sparking and maintaining interest in the community is very important for such projects to be successful. It does not take that much effort. One person could write a paragraph or two every month or so. Think of the donations, volunteers and other resources that engaging with people like us could attract.
TheFish

And I agree with you on the benefits of sharing information, as you said the ARHS and 6029 is a great example. Concerning this thread, there was a thread here on Railpage while the loco was in Victoria chronicling it's conversion, but as soon as it was trucked North, ____________________________-

Why it  has to be secret, is not up to me, it is up to the organisation. These days money spent and by who is sensitive. If they tender some work, the other tenderers may cause grief if  the work done was different or not done etc.  Just generally we should not expect progress report, but appriciate what is provided to us. Sometime a little one sentenance is all that is needed, we do not need a 2000 word and picture essay highlighing the progress since yesterday.  

We do like these locos etc and naturally want to know

Regards,
David Head
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think the difference is where the money is coming from. In the case of 6029, the regular progress has been driven by repeated funding initiatives. Because money from the general public is being spent to restore it, it is of interest to everyone, especially those who have contributed money. In the case of R766, it is my understanding that this is a private restoration, and thus the only people that need to be told anything is those who are involved. It's no big secret, but they just keep the information to themselves, which is their right. Unless someone has a stake in the loco, they have no "right" to be upset that everything is a secret. If they gave up and scrapped the thing tomorrow, that's their right as the owners, and nobody can say boo to them.

That being said, it would be a nice courtesy for information to be shown to the public, which would generate interest and perhaps even spur donations. However, at the end of the day it's their loco and their restoration, and just because there's no news, doesn't mean things are not being done.

With the sale of the site at Branxton, the loco will need to be moved at some point, so perhaps more will come to light then... A truck with a steam loco on it isn't invisible, and with Facebook, the general public can photograph it and share the photos around...
  R 761 Chief Commissioner

Location: In A House At My Computer
Except a R was never built and run in the 1940's Hmmm The red loco below, looks a bit like a R but colours should be Black with red deflectors and a red line. Me thinks facts are being forgotten when a slick presentation invents their own.....

Regards,
David Head
dthead

You right there David, The Rs never built in the 40s , we try 1951 when R class was started being built in Glasgow, The north bristish locomotive company. yes like david said, R766 should be in standard livery.
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
You right there David, The Rs never built in the 40s , we try 1951 when R class was started being built in Glasgow, The north bristish locomotive company. yes like david said, R766 should be in standard livery.
R 761

It could be painted pink with purple tassels but if it is in steam and operating passenger tours it will still justify the gauge conversion and add to the railfan experience and possibly encourage the completion of gauge conversion of the J class and other convertible broad gauge locos.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Just reading that brochure in the above link about R766 made my head hurt. Did they get the same people responisble for those Nigerian E-mail scams to write that?

Yes I am aware that this is a private restoration, and there is no obligation to keep the masses informed of their progress. However, presumably when they do manage to get it going there is some intention to run tours with R766, tours they would no doubt expect the punters to pay for. If they put the same level of public relations into promoting any future tours, then god help them.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Just reading that brochure in the above link about R766 made my head hurt. Did they get the same people responisble for those Nigerian E-mail scams to write that?
Gman_86

Unlikely, the Nigerian scam e-mails that I have seen were much better written!
  randomnarwhal Locomotive Driver

Not sure how much we can trust it, but a quick peek at the code of the homepage reveals this gem:
"
http-equiv="last-modified" content="04/10/2009 21:45:58"
"

as well as some abysmal HTML.
It's a shame really.
  mattb27j Chief Commissioner

Location: Berowra
Tours have been organised for the end of the year already>>>

   November Tours
 2-5 Upper hunter Tour to Tamworth inc light  lunch $50 adult $25 concession under 5 years free
   Train will depart Newcastle Station at 8am stop at Maitland then Tamworth for a day touring local area including
   visit to Werris Creek Station for lunch.

http://thespiritofthehunter.tripod.com/tours__distinations.html
  randomnarwhal Locomotive Driver

Tours have been organised for the end of the year already>>>

November Tours
 2-5 Upper hunter Tour to Tamworth inc light lunch $50 adult $25 concession under 5 years free
Train will depart Newcastle Station at 8am stop at Maitland then Tamworth for a day touring local area including
visit to Werris Creek Station for lunch.

http://thespiritofthehunter.tripod.com/tours__distinations.html
mattb27j

But how long has that been on the website for? Note that no years are given.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
But how long has that been on the website for? Note that no years are given.
randomnarwhal

Judging by the prices a looooooong time?
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Gosh, I really wish them well, but their website appears to have been written by someone who failed primary school English.
To take just one paragraph...

this Loco uses Diesel Instead of coal to firer the Boiler in this train with
this it makes it cleaner to run train. This Train has been repainted back
to simular colours as they first were back in the 1944
The locomotive is currently on track trials in ready for it Grand First run in
the hunter

So we have:
* Inconsistent capitalisation: Diesel but coal.
* Bad English: ... to firer the Boiler...
* Awkward phrasing: ...this makes it cleaner to run [the] train...
* Bad spelling that any computer spell checker would pick up: simular.
* No proof reading by an informed person, the R class didn't exist in 1943, rather they first appeared in 1951.
* Surely hunter should have a capital H?

Really, it doesn't present a very competent or professional image, especially when every other rail preservation outfit gets that sort of thing right. Sad If they are legit, I'm an occasional book editor and I'll clean it up for free.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
As long as the people working on the locomotive are a bit more knowledgable than the person that is incharge of their PR.

Seriously, has this thing been out on the rails yet? Has anybody sighted it? They do claim it is running track trials, is this accurate? By 'this train uses diesel' does that mean it is oil fired, or does it simply mean the train is actually being hauled around by a diesel locomotive?

Is anybody here actually planning on travelling on this November trip?

I also see on the same page they have advertised a New Years trip to Sydney for the fireworks, again not many details.

If anybody from this organization is on this forum, here's some free advice... If you want people to pay to travel on your train, than you might want to give them some information. Recent pictures (the only pictures on their site currently are about 10 years old) would be a great start, as would some progress updates on how things are travelling. Do I assume correctly that the objective of running any tours would be to earn some money to go towards the upkeep of R766? If so it would be wise to start the PR machine up and to create some real buzz about what you are hoping to achieve and what you have to offer.

As with all Railway Tourism and Heritage ventures, I wish you luck, and if recent efforts are anything to go by, you're going to need it.

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