RRL Project - West Werribee / Southern Cross

 
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

You're sure the points down from sunshine p3/4 are 40km/h? That seems odd considering there will be express trains running through as well as stoppers... O_o
LordPhobos

Sadly yes only 40 kmh points initially .  As explained previously this is only an interim layout at the Down end of Sunshine and also at Robinsons Rd Deer Park West.

To save money they only put in points initially that will be used in the final layout when the Melton electrification and duplication occurs.

IIRC from concept plans originally put up on DOT website but since removed :

Taking Sunshine first that then gets completely changed at Down end as the Metro track pair will split into electric tracks to Sunbury & electric tracks to Melton .  The  RRL track pair through 3/4 then gets relaid as straight move towards Ardeer and the RRL move towards Bendigo is on flyover and becomes the diverging move.

Two extra electrified Metro tracks go on the north side of the RRL track pair from Sunshine to Robinsons Rd .  From Robinsons Rd to Melton the existing line gets duplicated and electrified (and shared by VLP and Metro out as far as Melton.)

Robinsons Rd Junction for RRL  basically gets recast for RRL  like  on the Down approaching Robinsons Rd Ballarat Line leaves Dn RRL line on Down side by 65 kmh turnout and then passes over both Up and Down RRL  Manor North Junction lines and then comes to ground and joins into the Down Metro line towards Melton . Two centre tracks RRL swing in from Manor North as something like 100kmh curve.  Up Ballarat line leaves Up Metro line on Down side of junction and joins into the Up RRL line at grade via a 65kmh turnout .  So from the South side through Robinsons Rd 6 tracks  Down RRL Ballarat, Down RRL Manor West, Up RRL Manor West, Up RRL Ballarat, Dn Melton Metro, Up Melton Metro .  The two 65kmh turnouts used in the initial layout at Robinsons Rd get re-used in the final layout .

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

No Geelong or Warrnambool trains next weekend owing to RRL works, signalling commissioning .

Anyone got details of specifically what is being commissioned and where ?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
No Geelong or Warrnambool trains next weekend owing to RRL works, signalling commissioning .

Anyone got details of specifically what is being commissioned and where ?
kuldalai

really only west werribee that might be in a position for that to happen? not been out there for a few weeks to look. might take a run out tomorrow morning, unless there's something going on at footscray.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
No Geelong or Warrnambool trains next weekend owing to RRL works, signalling commissioning .

Anyone got details of specifically what is being commissioned and where ?
kuldalai

Would this be related to signalling works at Manor West Junction, or has all signalling works complete here ?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Works at  North Manor Junction as it is now known  (Manor was an old VR location with passenger platform on the Down side of the new junction.)  would not explain why suburban trains are also affected.

There is a new overtrack signal gantry placed about 100m on the Down side of the junction with the frames set up for Up and Down signals on both lines , but as at last week no signal heads had been installed .
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Taking Sunshine first that then gets completely changed at Down end as the Metro track pair will split into electric tracks to Sunbury & electric tracks to Melton . The RRL track pair through 3/4 then gets relaid as straight move towards Ardeer and the RRL move towards Bendigo is on flyover and becomes the diverging move.
kuldalai

If I have understood the arrangement properly, this will mean two flat functions: UP Melton/DOWN Sunbury and UP Ballarat and DOWN Bendigo. The RRL flyover will keep RRL and Metro trains separate at Sunshine, but that's it.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

If I have understood the arrangement properly, this will mean two flat functions: UP Melton/DOWN Sunbury and UP Ballarat and DOWN Bendigo. The RRL flyover will keep RRL and Metro trains separate at Sunshine, but that's it.
Mr. Lane

The final proposed layout has been removed from the DOT website .  My memory is hazy on the junction treatment at the Down end of Sunshine in so far as the Metro junction towards Sunbury & Melton .

By taking the RRL Bendigo track pair over the Melton track pair on a flyover one also eliminates the conflict between the Up Ballarat  RRL track and the Down Bendigo RRL  track .

IIRC the VLP side becomes the two RRL tracks off platforms 3/4 at Down end Sunshine . Immediately at down end platform a 65kmh crossover to the left for the Dn Ballarat RRL, then onto twin track flyover RRL track pair towards Albion. As the Up Bendigo RRL track comes to ground at Sunshine the Up Ballarat line  joins in as a 65 kmh turnout.   Hope that makes sense .
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
IIRC the VLP side becomes the two RRL tracks off platforms 3/4 at Down end Sunshine . Immediately at down end platform a 65kmh crossover to the left for the Dn Ballarat RRL, then onto twin track flyover RRL track pair towards Albion. As the Up Bendigo RRL track comes to ground at Sunshine the Up Ballarat line joins in as a 65 kmh turnout. Hope that makes sense .
kuldalai

Is there enough room at the down end of Sunshine for grade separating flyover ?

One very early proposal was the relocate Sunshine station towards Melbourne to free up room for flyovers to be built, but with the planning cost overruns and project down scaling, the most limited amount of work was done at Sunshine Station.
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

They may also need space for a flyover from the airport freight corridor to RRL, if that's going to happen. That's a lot of flyovers!

Are there thoughts of extending the Bendigo RRL north of Sunshine? I wonder if the Main Rd St Albans grade sep (road over rail) will have provision for 4 tracks. The other existing grade separations are easier rail over road.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I wonder if the Main Rd St Albans grade sep (road over rail) will have provision for 4 tracks.
bramt

Pig will fly before any forward planning like this goes In, presides the new station will probably be built on the Western side of the existing St Albans station, but that would mean there Is no room for a future RRL easement past the station !

I don't think they have worked out If the railway will pass under or over the existing street scape at Main road St Albans (probably under)
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

When and if the Airport railway ever gets built there is to be a Metro rail over rail flyover at Albion to take the Down Metro Airport line over the Up Sunbury Metro track.

The Bendigo  RRL track pair at that time is likely to be extended on the Down side across Anderson Rd subway past Albion station and junction back into the  Metro Sunbury track pair somewhere near the Western Ring Road .  This does away with the existing RRL junction on the Up side Anderson Rd and means Up & Down Airport trains would not interfere with Metro trains to and from the Airport .

St Albans lx elimination is to be a road underpass .

In the medium term VLP and Metro could run quite reliably with separate track pairs as far as the Western Ring Road, and proper use of the existing run through facilities for VLP at Sydenham .  Any future extension of the RRL tracks towards Sunbury would be unlikely to ever go beyond the Up end of St Albans. So a 2 track rail over road overpass (with possible provision for a 3rd track) would meet all forseeable requirements .
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

A few photos from of a trial run at Sunshine, up on VICSIG.
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Pig will fly before any forward planning like this goes In, presides the new station will probably be built on the Western side of the existing St Albans station, but that would mean there Is no room for a future RRL easement past the station !

I don't think they have worked out If the railway will pass under or over the existing street scape at Main road St Albans (probably under)
Nightfire

Road will be going over rail at St Albans, reading an article in a local newspaper. Early days yet, read it probably won't be completed until 2017!

http://www.meltonweekly.com.au/story/1800747/st-albans-deadly-level-crossing-to-be-removed/

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  Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
I was always running under the assumption that the Bendigo RRL would have been going via a completely separate alignment (from Albion, to Airport, to Gisbourne. The assumption was electrification from Sunbury to Gisbourne). Granted, this mostly just arose from a lot of armchair discussion with friends (not all entirely familiar with local conditions, either).

I do have a hard time imagining building a separate track pair for Bendigo trains all the way from Albion to Sunbury, either way.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I was always running under the assumption that the Bendigo RRL would have been going via a completely separate alignment (from Albion, to Airport, to Gisbourne. The assumption was electrification from Sunbury to Gisbourne). Granted, this mostly just arose from a lot of armchair discussion with friends (not all entirely familiar with local conditions, either).

I do have a hard time imagining building a separate track pair for Bendigo trains all the way from Albion to Sunbury, either way.
Flygon

Not for many years, if ever.  A Sunbury-Airport-Albion loop would be brilliant idea, and probably something worth considering in a couple of decades with the Loddon-Mallee South region expecting a total population of around 300000 by 2041:
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/2247973/plans-for-growing-bendigo/?cs=164
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

They may also need space for a flyover from the airport freight corridor to RRL, if that's going to happen. That's a lot of flyovers!

Are there thoughts of extending the Bendigo RRL north of Sunshine? I wonder if the Main Rd St Albans grade sep (road over rail) will have provision for 4 tracks. The other existing grade separations are easier rail over road.
bramt

The intention is not to use the RRL tracks between Manor North & Deer Park West for freight trains .

Standard gauge wise there is already a defined route that avoids conflict with either Metro or VLP through Tottenham Yard and over the Metro & RRL tracks by a flyover built within the last decade (between Sunshine & Tottenham) towards Newport.

Broad gauge wise the RRL track layouts allow from day 1 for bg freights from/to North East to access at grade via paltforms 3/4 at Sunshine towards the Brooklyn Loop line via connections off the RRL track pair at the Up end of Sunshine.

Land has been reserved from Albion to the Airport for a future double track bg electrified railway . There is no defined reservation beyond the Airport nor has it been seriously considered or any land acquired .

Extension of the existing RRL track pair on the Down side as far as the Western Ring Road coupled with official timetabled runthroughs by VLP over Metro trains at Watergardens will meet all traffic needs well into the future .
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
Land has been reserved from Albion to the Airport for a future double track bg electrified railway . There is no defined reservation beyond the Airport nor has it been seriously considered or any land acquired .

Extension of the existing RRL track pair on the Down side as far as the Western Ring Road coupled with official timetabled runthroughs by VLP over Metro trains at Watergardens will meet all traffic needs well into the future .
kuldalai


I have been considering the proposed airport link route but am at a loss to find the reserved corridor "to" the airport.

Can someone on this site prepare a map or a google map and post it please?  Much appreciated.
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

I have been considering the proposed airport link route but am at a loss to find the reserved corridor "to" the airport.

Can someone on this site prepare a map or a google map and post it please? Much appreciated.
waynes

+1

If anyone has any insight that'd be great. As I mentioned in the news post related to this, there's several power lines between the Ring Road and the line.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
It's in the various reports.

The line leaves the existing rail alignment between Steele Creek and Airport Dr, curving around to follow Airport Dr.

The transmission lines sit on an embankment - minimal extra clearance is required to bridge over the freeway, hence they are not an issue.

Not for many years, if ever.  A Sunbury-Airport-Albion loop would be brilliant idea, and probably something worth considering in a couple of decades with the Loddon-Mallee South region expecting a total population of around 300000 by 2041:
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/2247973/plans-for-...
Carnot

As kuldalai says, way too expensive.

Even at high frequencies it should be possible to time Bendigo trains such that they don't catch up to suburban trains until St Albans, given there are only three extra stops for suburban services.
  iHac Beginner

Hi,

Anyone know when RRL is expected to be open?  Just in time for the 2014 election, I'd imagine?!?! Wink
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Hi,

Anyone know when RRL is expected to be open? Just in time for the 2014 election, I'd imagine?!?! Wink
iHac

From what I know:

Footscray-Deer Park: July 2014
Deer Park-West Werribee: 2015
  Simbera Train Controller

Hi,

Anyone know when RRL is expected to be open? Just in time for the 2014 election, I'd imagine?!?! Wink
iHac

The best estimates we have: Ballarat and Bendigo trains will be using it around July 2014, Geelong trains early 2015.

Small parts of it are already in use, ie the grade separations of Anderson Rd, Platforms 3 & 4 at Sunshine, some of the tracks around North Melbourne, etc.

Neither of these figures have anything in particular to do with the election approaching, as it's been a project that has spanned two governments, both of which have managed it well in terms of staying ahead of schedule and ahead of budget.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
There's some excellent photos on Vicsig of the new station and tracks in use around Sunshine.

Next shut-down is getting closer; is anyone here able to say what will be completed this time around?  I'm guessing the new platforms at Footscray will be commissioned as they looked close to being completed when I went through there last week.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Neither of these figures have anything in particular to do with the election approaching...
Simbera

Napthine will be front and centre of every photo-opp for the openings though.  They may not have initiated it but they'll be trying to make sure it's emblazoned on the public consciousness that they were the ones who saw it through to opening...
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
There's some excellent photos on Vicsig of the new station and tracks in use around Sunshine.

Next shut-down is getting closer; is anyone here able to say what will be completed this time around? I'm guessing the new platforms at Footscray will be commissioned as they looked close to being completed when I went through there last week.
don_dunstan

Going by information supplied in earlier posts, I'd say the whole Footscray-Deer Park section will be opened.

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