Caroline Springs' wait for a station finally ends

 

News article: Caroline Springs' wait for a station finally ends

A new V/Line railway station for Caroline Springs in Melbourne’s outer-west will open in 2016, the Napthine government says.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A new V/Line railway station for Caroline Springs in Melbourne’s outer-west will open in 2016, the Napthine government says.
Caroline Springs' wait for a station finally ends


Construction of the $55 million station, which will in fact be built in the neighbouring suburb of Ravenhall, will begin later this year, Public Transport Minister Terry Mulder said.


That is a lot of coin. Will the design involve double track through the station?

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  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
What is it that requires every possible new station has to be gold plated?

30 years ago when they opened stations like Ginnifer, all they did was build a couple of platforms on the cheap and whack a bus shelter on them. They worked well, were functional and in todays money, I reckon they would have cost less than $1 million.

Spending an eye watering $55 million Shocked on a station which will get less than one train an hour is an utter waste of taxpayers money. There are far more deserving infrastructure projects that would benefit from the $50 million more than necessary that is being spent on this station in empty farm paddocks. Rolling Eyes

*Rant ends.*
  712M Chief Commissioner

Way, way too overprised. Compare this to Talbot station which costed $2.5 million and serves the exact same purpose. Imagine building 22 new stations for the price of what this monstrosity will cost taxpayers!
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
What is it that requires every possible new station has to be gold plated?

30 years ago when they opened stations like Ginnifer, all they did was build a few platforms on the cheap and whack a bus shelter on them. They worked well, were functional and in todays money, I reckon they cost less than $1 million.
Bogong

Ah well, you obviously don't understand the complex requirements for stations these days. Firstly, it is not OK any more to have passengers climb up on fruit crates to get into the train, you have to have level platforms provided with full disability access, then a station building also with the same features, plus a set of 4 toilets for male, female, disabled and not-yet-sure.

And the station has to be a premium one so the station staff can have full facilities as well, including lunch room, locker room, playroom, gymnasium and sauna. Then you need A PSO's block where they can lock up the criminal types who evade fares and also is equipped with change room, lunch room, locker room, playroom, gymnasium and sauna.

And that's where your $55M goes.....
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
$55 Million Is probably the price tag that Includes all the past costs of Government appointed consultants, advisors, lawyers, etc who have ever set foot on anything to do with the project, and the cost of building It Is In there too.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Why can't they just have a slab of concrete with a ramp to make it wheelchair friendly? It doesn't need to be a premium station out there. If it needs to have toilets, then I'm sorry, EVERY station should have their toilets reopened.

I've never seen fruit crates at Ginifer.
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

The new station will feature:

a single-sided platform with shelter and seating
bus bays and a taxi rank
350 car parking spaces – 150 more than originally committed
drop-off zones
closed circuit camera security surveillance (CCTV)
pedestrian and bicycle access, with a secure bike cage
facilities for Protective Services Officers.

http://ptv.vic.gov.au/projects/railway-stations/new-station-for-caroline-springs/

Single platform? Guess we shouldn't be surprised at the lack of foresight. Must feature a car park with valet and washing services.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
http://ptv.vic.gov.au/projects/railway-stations/new-station-for-caroline-springs/

Single platform? Guess we shouldn't be surprised at the lack of foresight. Must feature a car park with valet and washing services.
blowfish

blowfish it would be even more wasteful to build a second platform when the second track won't reach the station for a few years yet.

So in 4 or 5 years time, they can just build one of the cheap but functional platforms with nothing extra but a basic bus shelter like I mentioned earlier for about $200,000 and the station would be ready for twin track running.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
blowfish it would be even more wasteful to build a second platform when the second track won't reach the station for a few years yet.

So in 4 or 5 years time, they can just build one of the cheap but functional platforms with nothing extra but a basic bus shelter like I mentioned earlier for about $200,000 and the station would be ready for twin track running.
Bogong

Or you could build an Island platform, with the second platform coping face undeveloped and fenced off (waiting for the second track to be built)
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

Or you could build an Island platform, with the second platform face undeveloped and fenced off (waiting for the second track to be built)
Nightfire

That was my thoughts. Funnily enough, the location (according to Wikipedia) is actually where the double track combines into the single stretch to Rockbank.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
That was my thoughts. Funnily enough, the location (according to Wikipedia) is actually where the double track combines into the single stretch to Rockbank.
blowfish

Just west of the Ring Road, near where the Boral siding diverges?

Here ? http://goo.gl/maps/MGVQc
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Yes the location is near the current junction for the siding to the Boral Deer Park West Quarry. This is also where the dual track becomes single track, and where a new road overpass has recently opened for the new extension to Christies Rd which provides access to said Quarry (the old access road was closed for the RRL).

As for the inflated cost, two things cause this:
The first is the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA)
The second is the no new rail level crossings policy the government has adopted (which includes petestrian crossings).

The two of these policies combined heavily inflate the cost of most modern railway stations. That is unless the station is only of a single platform, and at the same time only needs to be accessed from one side of the track (like Talbot for instance). If not, a footbridge is required, which also includes the need for both a set of stairs for each access point (each platform and each outside station entrance) as well as a DDA compliant ramp for each access point (these ramps can easily be almost the length of the platform). If you want to add the costs of lifts for each of these access points (as is the current trend) that will also add a fair bit to the cost.

All of this and we still have upgraded signalling to consider, the possibilty of a new track layout (if they are building it as a 2 faced island platform this is a necessity), large sealed carpark (which will no doubt be full by 7am on most workdays), bus interchange, CCTV security and PSO offices and all of a sudden it's not that difficult to see how the costs begin to skyrocket.

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