Where is it? Victorian Country Cryptic Edition

 
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Ok - more info:-

We can get close to this place by V line train.

That statement is true in fact, but we could also get close to the place by car.

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Still no nibbles.

We can get close to this place by V line train.
That statement is true in fact, but we could also get close to the place by car.

The answer is in there; once in each sentence.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
The answer would appear to be Laceby.

My understanding of cryptics is that the clue should also contain a hint on the method used to find the answer. I'm not sure from these clues how we're supposed do deduce that. Mind you, if I've got the correct answer, I've obviously managed to work that part out regardless. Wink
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The answer is Laceby. My clues were exactly the same as many previously posted here, with the name completely spelt out. I apologise if it was too tough.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Nothing wrong with it being tough. I know others do the same thing and don't include a key word or phrase that gives you an idea how to find the answer. Admittedly, it's not always easy to do. I had a good one waiting last week. But didn't write it down and now can't remember what it was. Hopefully I'll remember and use it another time.

In the meantime, let's see if this one works.

Clue initially adds Dutch railway four six.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Hint - Norfolk Southern would work equally as well as the Dutch Railway. Wink
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Looks like this isn't working so well. Here's a less cryptic version of the clue.

Dutch Railway (Nederlandse Spoorwegen) initially added 4, 6 to this clue
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Bennison ?
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Not Bennison.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Barnes ?
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Not Barnes either. I'll try another rephrasing.

Clue has Norfolk Southern initially added 4,6
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Clunes.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Dutch Railway (Nederlandse Spoorwegen) or Norfolk Southern initially = NS. NS added 4th and 6th to Clue gives Clunes.


Back to Valvegear. 8)
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Thanks, B67.

What about a slang lunch?
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
I wouldn't mind a Sanger for lunch, but I'd have to go to NSW to get one.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
B67 - I could become very pedantic here, but I'll have to give it to you.

It's Sangar, and is in NSW, but on the old VR network.

Over to you, chum.Very Happy
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Yes, you COULD become pedantic. But so could I, since I recall from many years ago, NSW stations on the VR system were not able to be part of the Victorian Country Cryptic. Wink  Furthermore, although I'm aware that Sangar is given as the spelling in some sources (such as Melway), My VR map, postcode lists, and many online references do show Sanger. One reference goes each way and gives Sangar Rd, Sanger. Most references I've found to sandwich slang also side with the 'e' over the 'a'. Makes it difficult to know which way to go with one's pedanticism. Because I was looking for a VR station name, I went with the VR spelling. So best we agree that one way or the other, I got the correct answer. Laughing

Let's now attempt to quickly ambulate in wet, spongy ground.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I think it would be best if I refrained from entering the Victorian Cryptic. That is two questions in a row over which I have been taken to task. I'll leave it to the experts from here on.
  Alamein_Line Chief Commissioner

I think a bit of friendly leeway is required

Some posters have a better knowledge regarding the rules of cryptic clue construction but should those of us who do not , stop participating ?

This is a railway forum with a sub-set for cryptic questions - surely it is not expected that we are all skilled cryptographers ?

Regarding the spelling of Sangar , I had a similar incident a couple of years ago with "Kirkstall" which I answered as "Kirstall"

It turned out the VR Maps many of us use , changed the spelling at some point so it depended on which map was referenced !

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1767138.htm#1767138

http://www.vrhistory.com/VRMaps/Vic1960.pdf
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
I agree. I'm no cryptic expert. I don't know all the "rules" myself. Only trying to help by mentioning those I had been aware of and that I'd seen here before. Rules are there to be broken, right? So keep at it Valvegear. My comment was intended to be light-hearted. That's what the Wink and Laughing were there to help convey.

Oh, and this quiz goes back so long now, I doubt anyone would bother to go through the whole lot to see what 'rules', hints and tips have been mentioned in the past. Although I have a feeling that the current cryptic I have done may have been used in the past. But even I can't be bothered to go through the whole thread to check it.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Borung ?
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Quickly ambulate = run

Spongy ground = bog

Run in bog = Borung.

Back to Valvegear. Wink
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Thanks B 67; I hope this works:-

Mademoiselle is engulfed in self-consciousness.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Slight re-word.

See mademoiselle?  She is engulfed in self-consciousness.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
The rewording isn't helping much. Wink
I was perhaps looking for abbreviations or alternatives for Mademoiselle and not getting anywhere, but perhaps I only need part of that title.

So I'll try "Shelley.

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