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  4000sforever Beginner

Location: VIC
From my understanding it hasn't been used in well over a year but has still been electrified.
Anyone care to elaborate on the future of this yard?

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Overnight stabling for EMUs if the order gets completed - the Seaford Meadows depot can only take 14 of them and 22 have been ordered in total.

If we end up with all 22 units (and that's a very big if, Bombardier's Dandenong assembly plant could have been swallowed by a black hole for all we know at the moment) they will be replacing the 10 Jumbo sets which makes for a net change in the total fleet of +12, which is unsurprisingly quite close to the amount of extra space that has been added to the system with the building of the Seaford Meadows depot, and therefore not enough to make the Lonsdale stabling yard redundant.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

From my understanding it hasn't been used in well over a year but has still been electrified.
Anyone care to elaborate on the future of this yard?
4000sforever


It has been used, it was used to stable diesels every single day/night when the Noarlunga line reopened late last year until the opening of Seaford early this year.

And as has been mentioned, it is to be used as an 'overflow' stabling yard for extra consists that wont fit in Seaford. A handy piece of infrastructure to keep really.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Even with the Lonsdale stabling yard will there be enough room to hold all 22 EMUs?
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Even with the Lonsdale stabling yard will there be enough room to hold all 22 EMUs?
Milkomeda

Should be. By the time all 22 are here, the Adelaide-Dry Creek section should be electrified so it wont matter as there will be units stabled at Dry Creek. Dry Creek has some ability for expansion along the 'perway' roads. That interestingly, perway don't use. If I recall, there are at least 2/3 roads room that were planned and never actually made. Putting the EMU's there would be fine as there is no need to run them through the A-Service, so can live at the South End of the yard.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Even with the Lonsdale stabling yard will there be enough room to hold all 22 EMUs?
"Milkomeda"
If we get 22 EMUs, 18 can be stabled at Seaford Meadows and Lonsdale, leaving four left over at some other spot. If you figure that 1-2 would be at Dry Creek on a maintenance rotation of some kind, the other 2-3 could be left in the platforms at Adelaide.

If the Salisbury electrification gets completed (the delay or cancellation of the Bombardier order might force this to be shelved) then there will presumably be a large-scale retiring of Jumbos and therefore space at Dry Creek would become available.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

If we get 22 EMUs, 18 can be stabled at Seaford Meadows and Lonsdale, leaving four left over at some other spot. If you figure that 1-2 would be at Dry Creek on a maintenance rotation of some kind, the other 2-3 could be left in the platforms at Adelaide.

If the Salisbury electrification gets completed (the delay or cancellation of the Bombardier order might force this to be shelved) then there will presumably be a large-scale retiring of Jumbos and therefore space at Dry Creek would become available.
justapassenger


Sorry, have I missed something? Delay/Cancellation of the order? I figure there are delays, but have heard nothing of the sort on cancellation aside from initially when it was seen to be cheaper to just get the rollingstock than pay the penalties in the contract. Do you have a source for that? Or is it just speculation?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It would be extremely naive to look at the rate of delivery (one so far this year) and the fact that the CEO of the relevant government department got fired on one day's notice, and then conclude that the job is going fine. There's more than enough cause for a force majeure cancellation of that contract.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

It would be extremely naive to look at the rate of delivery (one so far this year) and the fact that the CEO of the relevant government department got fired on one day's notice, and then conclude that the job is going fine. There's more than enough cause for a force majeure cancellation of that contract.
justapassenger

Justapax.

I think that is one step too far. I have heard reliably that 4007 is due to arrive later this month. The acceptance test team need two weeks for handing over to revenue service so deliveries will be about one set per month.

Ian
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Justapax.

I think that is one step too far. I have heard reliably that 4007 is due to arrive later this month. The acceptance test team need two weeks for handing over to revenue service so deliveries will be about one set per month.

Ian
"steam4ian"
LOOK, A WOLF!!!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
LOOK, A WOLF!!!
"justapassenger"
DPTI and Bombardier also suggest that the sky is indeed blue.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Jumbo 20001
Apart from denigrating other correspondents who might actually have a smattering of information (or be in a place where they might know) about future deliveries Justapax has failed to give any reason for cancellation of the order except his own wild imagination.

Ian
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Jumbo 20001
Apart from denigrating other correspondents who might actually have a smattering of information (or be in a place where they might know) about future deliveries Justapax has failed to give any reason for cancellation of the order except his own wild imagination.

Ian
steam4ian

Ian,

I agree, seems like a case of 1 + 1 = 5. Anyway, slowness of deliveries operationally is a pain in the backside, and obviously Rail Commissioner wants it to hurry up. As for the order though, still can't see it being reduced particularly after the government tried and then decided against it based on those other ramifications.

Finally, as far as I have been told, set #7 is meant to mark a change to the build that will stay for all the remaining builds. So, the fitting of ATP, the new couplers, and a few other smaller issues were to be completed by set #7 onwards. So it isn't surprising that it has been delayed in delivery because its different from the rest (another pilot of sorts).

But hey, I don't come here for information about what happens at work Wink
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Jumbo.

What you are saying is consistent with what I have understood from somewhere else.

Ian
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
. . . . . . the fitting of ATP, the new couplers, and a few other smaller issues were to be completed by set #7 onwards. . . . .
Jumbo2001

Great!  Does that mean we'll finally get some brand-new EMUs, running on newly-relaid track, that don't need to trundle along at 25 m.p.h. (40 kph) from one yellow signal to the next?
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Great! Does that mean we'll finally get some brand-new EMUs, running on newly-relaid track, that don't need to trundle along at 25 m.p.h. (40 kph) from one yellow signal to the next?
1S47

I wouldn't bet my top dollar on that occurring. Word is that it will be set up to force the EMU to restrict to 40km/h when it passes a signal at Caution... I guess we wont really know until it is in action.
  wogman Station Staff

Location: One good foam away from Hawthorn station.
It would be extremely naive to look at the rate of delivery (one so far this year) and the fact that the CEO of the relevant government department got fired on one day's notice, and then conclude that the job is going fine. There's more than enough cause for a force majeure cancellation of that contract.
justapassenger

There may (or may not) be grounds for cancellation of the contract but I doubt very much "force majeure" would come into it.

Force majeure is intended to protect the parties to a contract from an extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_majeure

In this situation we're really talking about straight out non-performance and there are many more options that would (should?) have been incorporated in to the contract to ensure performance. Cancellation is extreme and is almost always the last (and most costly) option.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I wouldn't bet my top dollar on that occurring. Word is that it will be set up to force the EMU to restrict to 40km/h when it passes a signal at Caution... I guess we wont really know until it is in action.
Jumbo2001

If that's going to be the case why don't we just get rid of the human element (aka pesky drivers whinging about not wanting their weekends screwed up at short notice and not wanting to stuff up their fatigue management days by turning down enforced - but reasonable Confused OT to run 'special events' aka footy feral expresses) and go with fully automatic sparks...

Drag Chloe back as a consultant to Turbo Tom and Slow Stephen, they should be able to have the whole automated system up by last week I reckon.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I wouldn't bet my top dollar on that occurring. Word is that it will be set up to force the EMU to restrict to 40km/h when it passes a signal at Caution... I guess we wont really know until it is in action.
Jumbo2001

That's disappointing.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

If that's going to be the case why don't we just get rid of the human element (aka pesky drivers whinging about not wanting their weekends screwed up at short notice and not wanting to stuff up their fatigue management days by turning down enforced - but reasonable Confused OT to run 'special events' aka footy feral expresses) and go with fully automatic sparks...

Drag Chloe back as a consultant to Turbo Tom and Slow Stephen, they should be able to have the whole automated system up by last week I reckon.
Aaron

Footy isn't a "special event".  And they can Force it all they like, at the end of the day, you don't have to do it if you don't want to. There are many ways to get by it that are quite reasonable as per the Rail Ops EBA Wink
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Footy isn't a "special event".  And they can Force it all they like, at the end of the day, you don't have to do it if you don't want to. There are many ways to get by it that are quite reasonable as per the Rail Ops EBA Wink
"Jumbo2001"
A driver I spoke to said the football was a special event, and as such they couldn't avoid doing them.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

A driver I spoke to said the football was a special event, and as such they couldn't avoid doing them.
Aaron

They are incorrect. It isn't. Due to its frequency/regularity it is not a special event. Probably listening to a senior driver's ramblings haha.

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