Crossings that will NEVER be grade seperated

 
  bomberswarm2 Junior Train Controller

For one reason or another. I'll start

Yarraville Station Crossing

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  pandafalcon Station Staff

Let's take the whole Burnley Group:

Union Road/Mont Albert Road - Might actually get done if there's a desire to have the Belgrave/Lilydale Line completely grade separated between Richmond and Box Hill, and it would be the largest impediment to getting train frequencies down on the line.

Heatherdale Road Level Crossing - traffic density not at horrendous stage. Viable option at Mitcham Road now.
Dublin/Bedford Road Level Crossings - see above, although there's a lot of school traffic around that area.

All of the crossings on the Glen Waverley Line between Heyington and Gardiner (Glenferrie Rd, Toorak Rd, Tooronga Rd), and High St (Glen Iris) - remember the discussion about putting the Glen Waverley Line underground? The above grade separations would make the Glen Waverley Line completely grade separated.

RIVERSDALE ROAD - LOL.
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

Upfield/South Morang - Bell St
South Morang - High St/Cheddar Rd
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Alpine St, Ferntree Gully
Hilltop Rd, Upper Gully, and anything else east to Belgrave.
Maroondah Hwy Lilydale
Basically you could take anything down from Ringwood and be fairly confident nothing will happen.

Rick
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
For one reason or another. I'll start

Yarraville Station Crossing
bomberswarm2

I recall when I lived on that side of town there was a study into it because there have been multiple fatalities on that crossing; the issue is the extreme tightness of the set-up resulting in big grades for either rail or the road approach.  Very difficult to successfully engineer if they ever tried it.

In the longer term I think it will end up being closed to road traffic - although the businesses nearby won't be happy.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Macaulay Road North Melbourne.
The two LX's next to Mordialloc station.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Station St, Sunbury
Old Calder Hwy, Diggers Rest
Webster St, Dandenong
Station St, Beaconsfield
Hutton St, Thornbury
Poplar Rd, Royal Park
Most crossings on the Sandringham line
Anything between Mordialloc and Frankston
Anything down of Greensborough

Are they still going ahead with the grade separation at Officer?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
An obvious one, but someone needs to say it: New St, Brighton. Far too close to the beach, and too important an area to close all together.

Ramsden St, Clifton Hill,
It's the only one of those crossings that isn't seperated for a reason.

Another one, Giffard St, Williamstown. Due to complete irrelevance.

Add to that, any crossing on the Altona Loop.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I recall when I lived on that side of town there was a study into it because there have been multiple fatalities on that crossing; the issue is the extreme tightness of the set-up resulting in big grades for either rail or the road approach. Very difficult to successfully engineer if they ever tried it.

In the longer term I think it will end up being closed to road traffic - although the businesses nearby won't be happy.
don_dunstan

This crossing Is long overdue for closure, most of Anderson Street Isn't even 2 car widths wide.

Replace the crossing with a pedestrian / cycle underpass, to keep the punters safe and happy.


Down the line at Hudsons Road Spotswood, this crossing could be closed and bypassed by linking The Avenue to Simcock Av via an overpass over the railway.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Down the line at Hudsons Road Spotswood, this crossing could be closed and bypassed by linking The Avenue to Simcock Av via an overpass over the railway.
Nightfire

I think the residents of the Avenue would scream blue murder - there's all sorts of trucking traffic using Hudson's Road that would be diverted (Owen-Illinois, Socobell, the fuel terminals) down that street.  It's a good idea though, the railway line is already in a cutting at that point.
  bomberswarm2 Junior Train Controller

An obvious one, but someone needs to say it: New St, Brighton. Far too close to the beach, and too important an area to close all together.
Gman_86


Gad Zukes. A railway crossing. THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT? WHAT? SINCE WHEN!
It's such a discrace that it must be preserved for future generations to see as an example of stupidity.

Unless of course you mean the new one. I have no clue why anyone is opposed to that. It gives access between two raillocked areas. I swear I heard somewhere, one resident "Its a death trap waiting to happen" or somthing. Well if you call that a death trap how can you drive your car anywhere? Its 100 times more of a death trap than a crossing.
  bomberswarm2 Junior Train Controller

This crossing Is long overdue for closure, most of Anderson Street Isn't even 2 car widths wide.

Replace the crossing with a pedestrian / cycle underpass, to keep the punters safe and happy.


Down the line at Hudsons Road Spotswood, this crossing could be closed and bypassed by linking The Avenue to Simcock Av via an overpass over the railway.
Nightfire

Simcock Avenue is the most discraceful street in the country, I'm amazed that anyone can drive down there without their car falling in a pothole. That said, at least you can drive down it. However, The Avenue just got some gangster traffic light upgrade at Melbourne Rd, so there wouldn't be much problems diverting traffic onto it. I didn't think that crossing was much of a problem, but this evening I was waiting to be picked up and it was down for 4 trains, and a fifth and sixith came through a minute later.

I have no idea how Anderson St even exists, its so horridly small, even if they wanted to sink the track they'd have to demolish half the buildings in the town. And seeing as the buildings are demolished, its a perfect excuse to widen the road from 1/2 car width with parking on both sides to 4 car with. All works out in the end.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I can't see Burnley to Box Hill having four tracks for a long time to come. The only way this would be required is if they introduced a two-tier service (a rapid transit system in Melbourne, shock horror), one train stopping all stations on dedicated tracks, and another running express - platforms at intermediate stations like Mont Albert wouldn't be required for dedicated express trains, just the tracks (as per East Richmond, where there are four tracks but only two platforms, and Laburnum, when they ever decide to lay the centre track for express services). In fact, you could probably even get away with only two platforms on the little-used stations, just for the SAS trains since express trains running on their own tracks would never stop there anyway.

In this way, Mont Albert, Surrey Hills, Chatham, Canterbury and East Camberwell can all be bypassed with little to no problems, and practically no loss in patronage (if a fourth platform really is required at Surrey Hills, I'm sure it could be put in the design when Union Rd is put on the to-do list). Not too sure about four tracks between Burnley and Camberwell though, however once again, platforms would probably not be required at Hawthorn, Glenferrie or Auburn (I'm not even sure if the buildings could be modified to add platforms, at least for Glenferrie and Auburn, as they are heritage listed - Hawthorn would be difficult or even impossible due to the tunnels, and the fact the station already has an island platform on the down side just like Mont Albert - the rest only have platform 3 by itself with platforms 1+2 as the island platform).

On a side note, where would they fit a fourth track between East Camberwell, Canterbury and Chatham, or Mont Albert for that matter? Obviously the fourth platform at Canterbury (if needed) would turn the current platform 3 into an island platform, but there doesn't seem to be much room at Chatham for even an extra track by itself.

There is just one more problem: the Alamein line, complete with a flat junction and shared platforms at Camberwell, when the Alamein shuttle is using up platform 1 (likewise, the Glen Waverley line to a lesser extent, although GW trains don't terminate at Burnley). Of course, the Alamein line could always become the next light rail route... Smile
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Box Hill has 4 platforms.
wxtre

The 4th disused platform was used during the Station Street grade separation / shopping centre construction works.

These days trains stop running during big projects like what happened at Box Hill.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Gad Zukes. A railway crossing. THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT? WHAT? SINCE WHEN!
It's such a discrace that it must be preserved for future generations to see as an example of stupidity.
bomberswarm2

Yarra Glen has had a level crossing that goes through a roundabout ever since the truck bypass upgrade a couple of years ago. Completely different kind of service, same infrastructure configuration.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Yarra Glen has had a level crossing that goes through a roundabout ever since the truck bypass upgrade a couple of years ago. Completely different kind of service, same infrastructure configuration.
LancedDendrite

There Is a few around

Brighton
South Geelong
Yarra Glen
North Williamstown just about counts as one
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I was not only used for a temporary measure while the station was constructed. If you look at all the bridges along the Box Hill line it has space for a fourth track there is also an easement that has room alone this line.
wxtre

That between Hawthorn and Camberwell
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
No the track to Box Hill was always meant to have four tracks. They did not just build Box Hill with a disused platform.
wxtre

Many places like Camberwell - Camberwell East don't have the provision for 4 tracks.

Box Hill back when It was under the knife, the now disused platform Is service.
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  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Madden Grove Burnely
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
In fact, you could probably even get away with only two platforms on the little-used stations, just for the SAS trains since express trains running on their own tracks would never stop there anyway.
heihachi

Not probably, definitely. Why would you build platforms on an express line?


Australia, laughing stock of the world.


And while they're at it, kill East Camberwell, Chatham, and Mont Albert on the stopping pair.


Not too sure about four tracks between Burnley and Camberwell
heihachi

All overpasses have been designed for it.


On a side note, where would they fit a fourth track between East Camberwell, Canterbury and Chatham, or Mont Albert for that matter? Obviously the fourth platform at Canterbury (if needed) would turn the current platform 3 into an island platform, but there doesn't seem to be much room at Chatham for even an extra track by itself.
heihachi

Piece of piss.

Slot off the three mentioned, and two platforms only at Canterbury and Surrey Hills.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Piece of piss.

Slot off the three mentioned, and two platforms only at Canterbury and Surrey Hills.
ZH836301

There's some property acquisitions to be done through Hawthorn (expanded cutting) although you can clearly see the the bridge over the Yarra had four tracks on it at one stage - someone mentioned in another forum that it was for a shunting track or something when there were yards around that area and they removed it once it wasn't being used. It could be easily reinstated as part of an expansion project; the abutments are still there.

Further out things get a bit tighter towards and through Camberwell but you could always remove parts of that siding as someone else suggested - there would still be a few spots around that area where acquisitions will still be necessary.

There will be a need eventually for four tracks to Box Hill and perhaps a third one out to Blackburn - especially if they ever get around to building a heavy rail line down Eastlink - they've left a reserve along the toll-way for that purpose but maybe 20 years before something gets done - who knows?

Dandenong corridor is way more pressing from a network-wide perspective - those trains are easily the most crowded in Melbourne on what is a very SLOW trip to the outer South-East. Yet even with this expanded crossing removal PPP being announced later this year there still won't be 3 tracks to Oakleigh (at the very least they should be doing that as part of it!).
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

There Is a few around

Brighton
South Geelong
Yarra Glen
North Williamstown just about counts as one
Nightfire

Mentone  (Wickham RD)
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

There's some property acquisitions to be done through Hawthorn (expanded cutting) although you can clearly see the the bridge over the Yarra had four tracks on it at one stage - someone mentioned in another forum that it was for a shunting track or something when there were yards around that area and they removed it once it wasn't being used. It could be easily reinstated as part of an expansion project; the abutments are still there.

Further out things get a bit tighter towards and through Camberwell but you could always remove parts of that siding as someone else suggested - there would still be a few spots around that area where acquisitions will still be necessary.

There will be a need eventually for four tracks to Box Hill and perhaps a third one out to Blackburn - especially if they ever get around to building a heavy rail line down Eastlink - they've left a reserve along the toll-way for that purpose but maybe 20 years before something gets done - who knows?

Dandenong corridor is way more pressing from a network-wide perspective - those trains are easily the most crowded in Melbourne on what is a very SLOW trip to the outer South-East. Yet even with this expanded crossing removal PPP being announced later this year there still won't be 3 tracks to Oakleigh (at the very least they should be doing that as part of it!).
don_dunstan

I used to work in Hawthorn way back in 1978 and that the yard at Hawthorn were still intact, if you look closely enough you will still see the concrete foundations ( that carried the overhead wires) as you head to Glenferrie Oval, there was still a short section of the old Kew line that was still there at the same time...............
  Peter Spyker Train Controller

Most of the Upfield line, except perhaps Bell St.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I used to work in Hawthorn way back in 1978 and that the yard at Hawthorn were still intact, if you look closely enough you will still see the concrete foundations ( that carried the overhead wires) as you head to Glenferrie Oval, there was still a short section of the old Kew line that was still there at the same time...............
trainbrain

I tried walking the old Kew line some time ago when I was working in the area myself - it's hard to find where it initially branches off behind Glenferrie Oval but then it's easy to pick it up again through Hawthorn and Kew where it eventually forms the VicRoads carpark and office building.

Apparently that will all be demolished in the next few years as they move the entire bureaucracy to Ballarat and the State government sells up to build more luxury apartments on the site.  There's a chronic shortage of luxury apartments in that area, don't you know! Wink

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