RRL Project - West Werribee / Southern Cross

 
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Not likely when Airport trains are to run through to Dandenong . So that locks in 1500V DC .
kuldalai


I have been informed that the Airport Rail Link is not proposed to use the RRL tracks and is instead proposed to share the existing electrified tracks on the Sunbury Line as far as Albion.

My understanding is also that funding for this project has been included as part of the Melbourne Rail Link with funding allocated in the recent State budget to commence construction.  So the project is funded provided there is not a change of Government (which is always possible).

Ross

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I have been informed that the Airport Rail Link is not proposed to use the RRL tracks and is instead proposed to share the existing electrified tracks on the Sunbury Line as far as Albion.

My understanding is also that funding for this project has been included as part of the Melbourne Rail Link with funding allocated in the recent State budget to commence construction. So the project is funded provided there is not a change of Government (which is always possible).

Ross
Rossco T

2016 is the projected actual start date; it's still a way off unlike East-West link which is funded to commence immediately.

It's disappointing to hear that it will use Metro tracks when RRL would be much faster - in peak hour it will get stuck behind Sunbury all stoppers. It's kinda pointless building something that gets affected by peak hour traffic just as much as the Skybus its trying to replace.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
2016 is the projected actual start date; it's still a way off unlike East-West link which is funded to commence immediately.

It's disappointing to hear that it will use Metro tracks when RRL would be much faster - in peak hour it will get stuck behind Sunbury all stoppers. It's kinda pointless building something that gets affected by peak hour traffic just as much as the Skybus its trying to replace.
don_dunstan

I honestly reckon they will be stopping all stations rather than express.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Once the airport service reaches Albion on the bendigo lines will it then proceed along the Albion to Jacana route as an electrified service ?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I honestly reckon they will be stopping all stations rather than express.
railblogger

There's no way they could reach their projected 25 minute point-to-point transit time and do that.

I suppose with V/Line services removed from the Sunbury line it will certainly have a lot more flexibility but an airport service that leaves the city the a few minutes after a Sunbury train will still get stuck behind it all the way to Albion.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Once the airport service reaches Albion on the bendigo lines will it then proceed along the Albion to Jacana route as an electrified service ?
freightgate

As Rossco says (above) it apparently will NOT be using Regional Rail Link but instead will share suburban tracks with Sunbury trains up until Albion where it will proceed on its own tracks to Tullamarine.

The other thing that hasn't been announced yet is inclusion in the Myki system - my bet is that won't be. They'll be looking for maximum cost recovery so I think a franchise model like other airport links could be the go with private ticketing around the $20 each way mark?  Skybus is nearly that much now.

It's too early to say but I do think that's the way they'll go.
  wyche123 Locomotive Fireman

Sorry if these are silly questions. What suburb will Carolyn Springs station be in? Will there be seats or just standing room only, once trains start stopping there? The trains for Tarniet etc. Are they Geelong trains only or will trains start and finish at these intermediate stations.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Caroline Springs will be in the un-developed suburb of Ravenhall which is to the immediate South of Caroline Springs. The state Government has ordered 43 additional V/Locity carriages to be built in the next 2 years. These carriages are being built due to the mix of an anticipation of the increase in demand from these new V/Line stations, as well as the desire to run additional services to Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo. Yes, there is a high likelyhood most passengers from these stations will need to stand during peak hour, but this IS peak hour, show me a large city in the world that has a comfortable peak hour. If they have to stand for 22 minutes from Caroline Springs to Southern Cross than that is an improvement over the current situation that sees people regularly standing from as far away as Geelong, Ballan and even Castlemaine.

Again, the 43 new carriages should go some way to alleviate the problem of overcrowding, but it will not solve the problem.

As for V/Line short workings from Wyndham Vale to the City. This won't happen, but Geelong will get a hefty increase in service and a large percentage of those services will stop at the 2 new RRL stations. From what I have seen, Peak hour will see a train from Geelong to Southern Cross every 8 - 10 minutes, off peak will see 20 - 30 minute frequencies.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Sorry if these are silly questions. What suburb will Carolyn Springs station be in? Will there be seats or just standing room only, once trains start stopping there? The trains for Tarniet etc. Are they Geelong trains only or will trains start and finish at these intermediate stations.
wyche123

Caroline Springs will be on the Ballarat line In the locality of Ravenhall 3023 (Caroline Springs Is more a housing estate name)

By the time this station gets built I would assume peak travel direction trains would be jam packed, to the point people may not be able to safely board.

Timetables are yet to be written, but Tarniet, Deer and Park Ardeer would probably be served by Wyndham Vale local trains, with Geelong trains running mostly a standard stopping pattern of Melbourne, Footscray, Sunshine, Wyndham Vale, Little River, Lara, etc.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
As for V/Line short workings from Wyndham Vale to the City. This won't happen.
Gman_86

Won't happen hey !

So what's that turn back stabling yard their building South of Wyndham Vale (near the future Black Forest station) for ?

The yard Is In the middle of the running mainlines.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Apparently the Wyndamvale turnback is a welcome late inclusion in the RRL project to enable  Wyndamvale shorts to be operated during peak periods.  This will mean that more trips can be operated and more pax carried at peak times than the initial intent to operate everything from Geelong .

By operating two sets of peak period trains it will largely avoid the situation of no room for Wyndamvale pax on the Up and Geelong pax standing at the expense of Wyndamvale pax on the Down .

Siting the turnback between the Up and Down RRL (near Black Forest Road) running lines minimizes cross moves as Down trains just drop off, and the returning Up services just merge in after an Up Geelong through .  

With the Airport Line the  RRL Bendigo leg track pair will have to be extended in a Down direction to somewhere near the Ring Road .  Then the Metro track pair junctions at Albion under the road overpass as two electrified tracks separate from the bg Goods line then parallel for some distance before veering away towards the  Airport .
  Roadmaster Locomotive Driver

The other thing that hasn't been announced yet is inclusion in the Myki system - my bet is that won't be. They'll be looking for maximum cost recovery so I think a franchise model like other airport links could be the go with private ticketing around the $20 each way mark? Skybus is nearly that much now.

It's too early to say but I do think that's the way they'll go.
don_dunstan

There is no reason why Myki ticketing could not be used on a future Airport line, even if the line is 'privately owned', and ticket premiums apply. The Airport line stations in Sydney are accessible via Opal ticketing (Sydney's Myki equivalent). Even Skybus could and should be part of Myki.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
locomotive n475 was yesterday used on an rrl track run between southern cross and sunshine.

must be getting close to being ready for service?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Locomotive N475 was yesterday used on an RRL track run between Southern Cross and Sunshine.
JimYarin

Doesn't It read so much better when It looks like this !


Back to RRL

Will Tony Abbott be showing his face at any RRL opening launches given the mountain of Commonwealth Government funding that has gone Into the project.

Or does Tone not believe In Urban rail projects and would not like to be seen at an opening of something he opposes.

One thing wasn't Commonwealth Government funding for the project delayed / stretched out further due to need for emergency disaster funding for the QLD floods, or Is the project running so well (ahead of time, below budget) that this delayed funding Isn't an Issue ?
  harrisfan124 Train Controller

Location: on the train/Sydenham line
Doesn't It read so much better when It looks like this !
Nightfire

Saw a other V/Line on the RRL this morning around 9.45 just stopped before Sunshine Station
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Doesn't It read so much better when It looks like this !
Nightfire


did i say something silly?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
locomotive n475 was yesterday used on an rrl track run between southern cross and sunshine.

must be getting close to being ready for service?
JimYarin

Yes. The junction just north of Sunshine will be completed during the upcoming weekend shutdown. Other than its really only Footscray Station and reconfiguration of the track layout at Southern Cross requiring completion
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
did i say something silly?
JimYarin

Nothing silly at all.

Just lacking CAPITAL LETTERS were they are needed.
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

Apparently the Wyndamvale turnback is a welcome late inclusion in the RRL project to enable Wyndamvale shorts to be operated during peak periods. This will mean that more trips can be operated and more pax carried at peak times than the initial intent to operate everything from Geelong .
kuldalai

I wondered why the line had a fork in it, south of the station.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

1. The  N class loco shuttling on the RRL track pair between the City &  Sunshine is for crew training purposes.

2. The Airport train will no doubt accept MYKI but pax will be charged a premium fare like Sydney & Brisbane .

3.  There are big  RRL  Occos scheduled from 28/06  to  13/07 with no trains to Ballarat, Bendigo or Seymour.
Works to be completed at that time :  Sunshine - final track and signal commissioning at Down end plats 3/4 to RRL both Ballarat & Bendigo legs .  Franklin St -  completion of RRL connections  including dg and sg connections , dual gauge both lines Nth Melb viaduct tracks, dedicated bg VLP line alongside East Suburban lines to platforms 7/8.  Spion Kop Junction - commissioning . The new arrangements allow for parallel sg departures and arrivals from plats 1/2 as far as the Down en of the Nth Melbourne flyover .

4.  Footscray -  During June complete station building refurbishment  & platform verandah renewals on platforms 3/4 .

As posted several times before on completion of these works  one can expect  Geelongs will get access to Southern Cross platforms 1 - 8 via Nth Melbourne flyover.  From late July a new tt is expected for Ballarat and Bendigo services using RRL from platforms 1 - 8 via Nth Melbourne flyover then via RRL track pair all the way to Sunshine.  So RRL will in effect be complete for Western & Northern trains by the end of July .

The Geelongs should go all the way to Manor North on the new line by  mid  2015 .
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Buses this Friday (tomorrow till Sunday inclusive) but no timetable published at this time.

One is directed to the journey planner to work out which bus to take to where...

Mike.
  wyche123 Locomotive Fireman

Wait for all the State politicians to start putting their hands up over this largely Commonwealth funded project. Bernie Finn a lib rep in the western suburbs is already trying to stake a claim.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Bernie Finn a lib rep in the western suburbs is already trying to stake a claim.
wyche123

They're all going to be putting their hands up and claiming it as their own because its shaping up to be a smashing success.  Like the Liberal Party in Adelaide were dead against the extension of the Glenelg tram through the city but after it launched they were trying to back-track.  They all thrash around wildly trying to find something that they can be associated with that the public actually likes... that's just what they do.

Bernie Finn in particular is one of those politicians who makes you wonder why we have such as extensive payroll of bench-warmers.
  harrisfan124 Train Controller

Location: on the train/Sydenham line
N468 was sitting just before Sunshine Station on the RRL around 9.45 am
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic

The Geelongs should go all the way to Manor North on the new line by mid 2015 .
kuldalai


dont be surprised to see these services go via the new track sooner. From what can be seen from public access areas, the stations are largely ready, 90%-95% of the track is laid, just need signaling done through the section, which i'm surprised nothing seems to be happening with at this point. Perhaps a ploy to run the contract out a little more

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