An uncertain future - Seymour Railway Heritage Centre (SRHC)

 

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Posted 6 years ago

  dmgrail Junior Train Controller

Location: Wangaratta Vic. 3677
New SRHC rollingstock is as listed below. If people want to add to there list. I think most numbers are correct
TL154
TL155
ZDXF 5-Y
ZDXF 2-K
ZDXF 3-T
ZDXF 15-N
ZQRX 1-S
ZQRX 311-F
ZQRX 319-D
ZQRX 311?-W
ZVDY 53

Junior,

I have checked the rolling stock records for El Zorro and note the following:

ZQRX 1-S - Should read ZQKX 1-S
ZQRX 311-F - Should read ZQRX 314F
ZQRX 311?-W - Is ZQRX 311-W

DMG

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  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Some of the rollingstock in question. I do have to wonder what SRHC plan on doing with the flats they've got out of it

https://flic.kr/p/dsvZ7h

https://flic.kr/p/dsvXp7

https://flic.kr/p/dsvKn6

https://flic.kr/p/dsvQVU

https://flic.kr/p/dsvPj3
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
This might keep some people happy, they have updated their blog site.
  ed31880 Train Controller

So who are K & AB Rail?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
So who are K & AB Rail?
"ed31880"

Google found the following ........
http://www.licensedtrades.com.au/6fd031939bbaf0a2c19911f048bc36a0/17117/k-and-a-b-rail
  randomnarwhal Locomotive Driver

So who are K & AB Rail?
ed31880

ASIC shows the address as a block in Alfredton, Ballarat… Registered company since 2004, nothing else of interest.
  ed31880 Train Controller

So what exactly is it that they do and what are they going to use the loco for?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
So what exactly is it that they do and what are they going to use the loco for?
ed31880

I think the people involved want to stay private, hence why a number of people don't know about this.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
So what exactly is it that they do and what are they going to use the loco for?
"ed31880"

Old operational Loco's make great stationary Direct Current generators!
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Seems there has been a blog update on the acquisitions:

http://srhcblog.blogspot.com.au/
  ed31880 Train Controller

So why the big secret about who K & AB Rail are and what it is that they do? If they wanted to keep a low profile then why hang a sign on the front of their loco and draw attention to themselves?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
So why the big secret about who K & AB Rail are and what it is that they do? If they wanted to keep a low profile then why hang a sign on the front of their loco and draw attention to themselves?
ed31880

They may explain one day, its not your right to know what they are doing or where they are.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Re: The blog.

There is no explanation as to how a group who sailing close to broke (or possibly are, dare I say it, trading insolvent), can afford the luxury of buying unecessary items as these. I can understand repairing the GM to return it back to Seymour, but why do they need the TL's, and flat wagons? There is no market for either since the demise of El Zorro.

There is also no explanation as to why the money was spent on these boat anchors, rather than running heritage trains; which is the core business of the group, as stated in the SRHC's charter.

Something is seriously wrong with the priorities of the SRHC committee.
  VN18 Junior Train Controller

Location: Central Highlands
Well I'd say K & AB Rail would have something to do with AR Ball rollingstock maintenance. With the K being another interested party. That no doubt has association with SRHC...

Just keep getting more locos, the ones you have are flogged out, get more. Conflict of interest I think.

S303 - C501 - B74 - GM36 - X31 what a shame, when they are gone they are gone. Let's hope they never get anymore!!
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Well I'd say K & AB Rail would have something to do with AR Ball rollingstock maintenance. With the K being another interested party. That no doubt has association with SRHC...

Just keep getting more locos, the ones you have are flogged out, get more. Conflict of interest I think.

S303 - C501 - B74 - GM36 - X31 what a shame, when they are gone they are gone. Let's hope they never get anymore!!
VN18

I can tell you that K & AB Rail have nothing to do with AR Ball rollingstock maintenance in any way, shape or form.
  VN18 Junior Train Controller

Location: Central Highlands
I can tell you that K & AB Rail have nothing to do with AR Ball rollingstock maintenance in any way, shape or form.
"LowndesJ515"


Ah ok, wild guess as I know both 'K' and AR Ball were known to one another. Just coincidence I guess.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
They may explain one day, its not your right to know what they are doing or where they are.
LowndesJ515

I've never understood this misplaced sense of entitlement that railfans have to knowledge. A private person or persons have bought a locomotive. Good for them. I can only dream of being in such a position. Perhaps they want to hollow it out and make a foam-free shelter for use on the next heritage train? Tow it along behind the locos so it LOOKS like a loco! Personally, I'd turn it into a one bedroom B&B.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I've never understood this misplaced sense of entitlement that railfans have to knowledge.
Raichase

Well said! I've never understood it either.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
I've never understood this misplaced sense of entitlement that railfans have to knowledge. A private person or persons have bought a locomotive. Good for them. I can only dream of being in such a position. Perhaps they want to hollow it out and make a foam-free shelter for use on the next heritage train? Tow it along behind the locos so it LOOKS like a loco! Personally, I'd turn it into a one bedroom B&B.
Raichase
I don't see anyone here having a sense of entitlement to knowledge, at least in the context of K & AB Rail. People have asked a valid question about the TL locos - what harm is there in that?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I don't see anyone here having a sense of entitlement to knowledge, at least in the context of K & AB Rail. People have asked a valid question about the TL locos - what harm is there in that?
michaelgreenhill

I was referring to this comment:

So why the big secret about who K & AB Rail are and what it is that they do? If they wanted to keep a low profile then why hang a sign on the front of their loco and draw attention to themselves?

There is no "big secret", there's just not an abundance of information around. Yet.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
I was referring to this comment:


There is no "big secret", there's just not an abundance of information around. Yet.
Raichase
"Yet" being the key word Smile

I do hope that more information becomes available, not for selfish reasons (I don't particularly care who they are or their relationship - if any - to SRHC), but because these TLs have found a new lease of life with K & AB Rail. If their intention is to hire them out, use them as shunters or even go balls-out and alter their appearance to that of a VR first series T class, who cares? The point is they're out and about, and no longer languishing at Portland.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
K&AB Rail have only bought one TL (152), which the SRHC have on-sold to them. The rest are still owned by the SRHC as I understand it. Who K&AB Rail are is totally irrelevent to the activities of the SRHC. Personally, I'm very perplexed at how a group which was owed a bee's tit over one million dollars, can afford the luxury of buying items such as these for a non-existent hire market; yet cannot afford to run heritage trains for the public. Something isn't right there.

Anyway.

I have heard on the grapevine that the SRHC have sent the VGR notice that they want J515 back in Seymour. No idea when this will occur, but if it does go; I think it'll be the last time anyone will see the loco in one piece. Like 1575132475134785230* other projects that have been started at the SRHC; it will never be completed; will be shoved up the back of the shed, and totally ignored and forgotten about. Also the fact that the SRHC have absolutely no interest in operating heritage trains for the public, and would rather squander what little moolah they do have on EZ's junk should be sending a message to those high up within Victrack Heritage that the SRHC really have no interest in J515, other than to say that it is "their's".

The SRHC have shown very little interest in the locomotive since it's been at Maldon, save for a couple of repairs, and the annual "play day" so they can keep up appearences to justify the allocation of J515. Many times the VGR have broached the idea of overhauling the locomotive, only to be met with non-committal replies from the SRHC committee. It's a known fact that the loco is in dire need of a major mechanical overhaul, and is now perhaps 13-14 years overdue to be lifted off of it's wheels to check the horns; axleboxes, and replace wool pads etcetera. The pistons and valves are in need of new rings, and the cylinder and valve chests need machining. Some of this was known before the locomotive left Seymour, and believe me, the volunteer steam crew did try to get the loco lifted; but certain high up committee members weren't interested. Despite the VGR's offer to do the work, no dice. The SRHC might like to use the argument that they have waived the monthly fee of the loco for the past six years, but I am sure if the VGR were to send the SRHC a bill for repairs; parts, and labour (and secure storage if you want to be pedantic), it would far exceed the amount that the SRHC would have been owed for it's hire (and Y133's). The VGR have quite rightly said that they can no longer afford to maintain the loco unless an agreement is made, and the loco doesn't get taken away once the work has been done.

Currently, J515 is stored dry at Maldon awaiting her fate.

I would appeal to anyone within Victrack Heritage who reads this, to please seriously consider the future of the locomotive. The VGR are more than willing to put in the hard yards, and have the facilities at their disposal to carry out the work. They also have the knowledge, and expertise on-tap so that the overhaul is carried out correctly, and ensure the loco is cared for once all maintenance is completed. Crunch time has come, and I am seriously worried for the future of J515. I personally fear that if the locomotive returns to Seymour, we will never see it again in one piece, and that would be a real shame. Please, re-allocate the loco to someone that will really care for, and appreciate the locomotive.

This photo was taken last Sunday (1/6/14). As someone who cared for the loco at Seymour in the past, words fail me.
[img]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3891/14159883377_7f5a2243b7_c.jpg[/img]





  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
As another who did his best to care for 515 at Seymour, I can only echo Barrington Womble's sentiments. A return to Seymour will be the end of J515 - just look at the "progress" that has been made on converting the other J to SG.
After watching for some time now, it seems we have another Dorrigo Syndrome taking place at SRHC. "I want it, I want it" , despite the fact that nothing will be done with it.
If J515 has a future, it must be with VGR.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
As another who did his best to care for 515 at Seymour, I can only echo Barrington Womble's sentiments. A return to Seymour will be the end of J515 - just look at the "progress" that has been made on converting the other J to SG.
After watching for some time now, it seems we have another Dorrigo Syndrome taking place at SRHC. "I want it, I want it" , despite the fact that nothing will be done with it.
If J515 has a future, it must be with VGR.
Valvegear

This dire situation begs some questions:

  • Is there anything that WE can do to keep J515 at VGR?




  • Is VGR happy to retain the loco, and perform the remedial work that J515 so desperately needs?

  VN18 Junior Train Controller

Location: Central Highlands
So why the big secret about who K & AB Rail are and what it is that they do? If they wanted to keep a low profile then why hang a sign on the front of their loco and draw attention to themselves?
"ed31880"



Ex Overlander sleeper car Kuldalai (JTA6) K&ABR owned, used by 707 Operations as a Gold class car. Maybe we'll see the TL running with T413 who knows...

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