New route: QR Blackwater route project

 
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

G'day everyone,

I would like to make the an announcement regarding my Queensland Rail Blackwater route project for MSTS
This route is in slow progress due to other things I am busy with outside MSTS but it will get there

This route will cover between Gracemere - Comet (mainline) Including branch lines along the way, sadly I am unable to include the Rolleston line this is because I don't have any curve & gradient diagrams so only a short section will be covered based on guess work grades

Anyway, here is a map preview of what I have layed so far



The reason why I didn't lay the full mainline it's because I had to work out terrain tiles for mostly the Gregory line, since this line cannot be seen in the Route Geography Creator which is really dumb

And I thought if I get rid of the brach lines surrounding Blackwater/Burngrove this will help speed up the progress... Maybe

More updates will come, all I ask is that you all be patient as I have very little MSTS time these days
Once I have the track layed and corrected with the branch lines I will post a new update for this route and post only afew screenshots around the route

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  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
is this going to be a Electric route?
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

is this going to be a Electric route?
X'Trapolis-904M

Yes of course Smile The Blackwater railway line is fully electrified except some sidings

The Gordonstone line is now fully layed so I only have to lay track from Wycarbah to west of Comet SmileSmileSmile
And then join the branch lines, add scenery objects and roads ^v^
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Here is a basic track diagram of how this route will be Smile


  Expost Deputy Commissioner

Just in case you are unaware. Whilst there is OHLE from Burngrove west to Nagoa, it was mothballed years ago. So if anyone attempts to pilot a sparkie straight ahead at Burngrove, they will come to a pretty quick stop.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
will this Include Roma Street
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

will this Include Roma Street
X'Trapolis-904M

No, Roma Street is far from the Blackwater system mate Wink However, I will be including Gladstone and Rockhampton at a later stage for this route Smile
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Just in case you are unaware. Whilst there is OHLE from Burngrove west to Nagoa, it was mothballed years ago. So if anyone attempts to pilot a sparkie straight ahead at Burngrove, they will come to a pretty quick stop.
Expost

Thanks again for your information Expost Smile

The only trouble is that I have no idea what a OHLE is LOL but I am sure it's got something to do with safe working like a staff exchange or something simular

To be honest I have no knowledge about the Blackwater railway itself, I thought I should make this route because it looked fun and easy which is sort of true in some sections of the line and I also have some overhead gantry models to go with it SmileSmileSmile
  Expost Deputy Commissioner

Sorry, OHLE- Overhead Line Equipment. Masts, arms, and wires.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Sorry, OHLE- Overhead Line Equipment. Masts, arms, and wires.
Expost


that is over 60kms of overhead installed. why is it not used?
  Expost Deputy Commissioner

Costs of running and upkeeping the locos and OHLE. Freight is now diesel hauled and so is the SOTO. It means freight doesn't have to pay for the upkeep of the OHLE from Burngrove to Emerald, and by the way, Gympie to Gladstone. Travel train probably don't want to pay for the upkeep either, after all, they are the sole users of about 400km of OHLE between Gympie and Gladstone, so would be paying heaps for the use of that.

Its probably also cheaper to leave it standing than to pull it down.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
SOTO ?
  Expost Deputy Commissioner

Spirit of the Outback.

Apologies, I had an extensive reply previously, labourously typed out over about a half hour, with a broken left index finger, and I pressed delete accidently. I was so pooed off.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Sorry, OHLE- Overhead Line Equipment. Masts, arms, and wires.
Expost

Ah I see, lol

Thanks for the information Smile I will still be adding electric wires over the entire route except for unwired siding etc... Wink

I have just passed Windah heading toward Gogango, the duplication from Westwood to Windah was very complicated to do, I just hope the Tunnel to Aroona and Duaringa to Wallaroo will be more easier to lay... Maybe!!!

Will give more updates later SmileSmile
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Did you recently upload a Griffith route to Trainsim?
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Did you recently upload a Griffith route to Trainsim?
billybaxter

I sure did, why do you ask?

With the Griffith route it was just something to do because I was bored so instead of deleting it I made it available to the public to complete it by themselves even if they choose any type of era it's completely up to the user(s) who downloaded it
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
I ask because I downloaded that route. I was pretty optimistic, thinking that after years of making grand announcements about how you were going to build the entire Cityrail system, all the Countrylink system, dismissing Carlingford and Crookwell as being less than worthy projects, then building North Coast line to Acacia Ridge, Broken Hill line, going for Carlingford then dropping it, asking people to PM you if they wanted you to 'trash' the Broken Hill route, working on Cairns to Mareeba and so on, you must have actually built something. Yanco to Griffith! Short, possible passenger and goods running, a decent choice. After about two minutes of running a CPH on rails floating a few metres above a treeless green plain that seemed to be sloping at about a 1 in 10,000 grade towards the horizon, I realised I'd been had. Then I saw this great announcement with a little picture showing a bunch of branchlines dangling in mid air. Compare yourself to that bloke who recently released a beta version of his Epping line.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
I sure did, why do you ask?

With the Griffith route it was just something to do because I was bored so instead of deleting it I made it available to the public to complete it by themselves even if they choose any type of era it's completely up to the user(s) who downloaded it
cityrail-rulez


did not realise this route was available. can someone upload?
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

I ask because I downloaded that route. I was pretty optimistic, thinking that after years of making grand announcements about how you were going to build the entire Cityrail system, all the Countrylink system, dismissing Carlingford and Crookwell as being less than worthy projects, then building North Coast line to Acacia Ridge, Broken Hill line, going for Carlingford then dropping it, asking people to PM you if they wanted you to 'trash' the Broken Hill route, working on Cairns to Mareeba and so on, you must have actually built something. Yanco to Griffith! Short, possible passenger and goods running, a decent choice. After about two minutes of running a CPH on rails floating a few metres above a treeless green plain that seemed to be sloping at about a 1 in 10,000 grade towards the horizon, I realised I'd been had. Then I saw this great announcement with a little picture showing a bunch of branchlines dangling in mid air. Compare yourself to that bloke who recently released a beta version of his Epping line.
billybaxter

Oh mate, you really had to dig up the past!

Yes, I have made announcments of many routes over the past years but don't judge me for it, this is the reason why I give up because of the continuous negative comments. I don't recall ever announcing a Crookwell route though?

The routes I only announced are: AU NSW Regional & Intercity covery Sydney to Brisbane, Canberra, Melbourne and most of the mainlines throughout NSW this was trashed due to negative comments and it was a complete waste of time even starting the project

The Clyde to Carlingford route was fully layed and fixed in the end but I never got to add roads, scenery or signals so I sadly lost it due to reinstalling my computer mind you it's not the only thing I lost I have forgotted to back up 3d models too

The North Coast route is completely layed but I haven't done anything with the route for some time now because I am cutting it back to only cover where Peter Newell left off his Coals to Newcastle route so it has a new name 'Taree to Brisbane' but due to the lack of tracks available with dual gauge and NON-matching narrow gauge tracks this route will not include the Brisbane section not even Acacia Ridge yard will be included

As for the Broken Hill route, I have no idea what I was thinking this route would be really boring anyway so it's been trashed

To the Cairns to Mareeba route, this route is going very well but I have put it aside so I can complete my Blackwater route since it's longer and even this route is going very well I have passed Tunnel and still heading towards Comet once that is done I can attach the branch lines to the mainline and then add roads, scenery and signals and get it distributed and then get back to the Cairns to Mareeba route (But I am also working on ways I can create a waterfall)

There will be no calling for beta testers nor will there be a beta version of the Queensland routes or any other routes I am still working on, but also remember that most of my MSTS time has been taken up so I can only do what I can ever now and then

To the Griffith route, this route was just something to do as stated before it's NOT to be driven on it's been uploaded to trainsim.com for other route builders who wish to take over the route itself and finish it and it DOES NOT climb a 1 in 10,000 gradient I have no idea where you got that from? But it's only 10 to 20 meters above the ground between some sections of curves and streight sections because I got too lazy as stated within the readme file
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

did not realise this route was available. can someone upload?
JimYarin

The Griffith route is only for route builders to take over and complete it

There is no scenery, roadsor signals and there is alot of work to be done before it can become a drivable route
See trainsim.com to download
  superheatedsteam Deputy Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
The following description for griffithline.zip from the download page at http://www.trainsim.com states:

MSTS AU NSW Trains ToGriffith Route. This is a planned route of the NSW Griffith Railway line for someone else to fix up and complete. Only recommended for advanced route builders to fix and complete this route By Phillip N. G. Chorusch.

It clearly states that it is recommended for advanced route builders to fix and complete.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
When a new route is announced, people get excited, particularly as there's so little new stuff these days. Announcing mega projects which never eventuate just ends up in tears all round, for the route builder and users. I thought those days were gone, but this new Blackwater thing has me wondering. If you got bored with a short line like Yanco - Griffith, I reckon you'll get bored and give up with this much larger project, especially with a few other major unfinished projects hanging around. Why not choose one and stick at until it's done? And why build it from the outside in? I can see frustration and another file for the super-experts to fix up as they like once you start trying to connect all those branches and the ends of the main line to each other. Unless fiddling with dynamic track is your thing, which it probably isn't. As I said before, look at how that other bloke handled the building and presentation of the Epping line. Perfect. Never tried to be the big MSTS hero, and be everybody's mate. Just did the job, for his pleasure and now ours.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

When a new route is announced, people get excited, particularly as there's so little new stuff these days. Announcing mega projects which never eventuate just ends up in tears all round, for the route builder and users. I thought those days were gone, but this new Blackwater thing has me wondering. If you got bored with a short line like Yanco - Griffith, I reckon you'll get bored and give up with this much larger project, especially with a few other major unfinished projects hanging around. Why not choose one and stick at until it's done? And why build it from the outside in? I can see frustration and another file for the super-experts to fix up as they like once you start trying to connect all those branches and the ends of the main line to each other. Unless fiddling with dynamic track is your thing, which it probably isn't. As I said before, look at how that other bloke handled the building and presentation of the Epping line. Perfect. Never tried to be the big MSTS hero, and be everybody's mate. Just did the job, for his pleasure and now ours.
billybaxter

I understand where your coming from mate and I appreciate your concerns

I won't be giving up building this route nor my Cairns to Mareeba and North Coast routes the Griffith route was to practice dividing the dynamic track curves into shorter sections of the curve rather then placing them as a full curve which will later at some stage cause more problems with the route itself like my North Coast route this is the reason why I need to fix up my North Coast route because I didn't think about splitting the dynamic track curves in the first place which has afew problems now but can be fixed in due time

I thought I upload the Griffith route because I didn't want to deleting it completely and see it all go to waste so uploading it to trainsim.com was a good thing, I have noticed there's a large amount of downloads for the route but this doesn't bother me as long as someone is happy to finish the route in any era the route builder decides

I do agree with you the Epping route is really amazing Smile Alex and the rest of the crew involved making the Epping route has done a terrific job which is really excellet to see something new

But as I have stated I am not going to give up on this route or my Cairns to Mareeba and North Coast routes they will be completed in time but as stated I have very little MSTS time these days due to work and other things outside MSTS...
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller



Yes, the route is getting longer on the mainline Smile

I forgot to mention, the reason why I have started on the branch lines it's because not all the tracks will show up in the Route Geography Extractor I had to work out the terrian tiles I needed for the Gregory, Oaky Creek and Rolleston lines so that is the main reason why I didn't finish off the mainline first and I decided to get the branch lines out of the way which has helped to speed up the routes progress
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Now the mainline is getting closer toward Blackwater Smile

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