An uncertain future - Seymour Railway Heritage Centre (SRHC)

 

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Posted 6 years ago

  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Is VGR happy to retain the loco, and perform the remedial work that J515 so desperately needs?
xxxxlbear

... the VGR's offer to do the work ... The VGR have quite rightly said that they can no longer afford to maintain the loco unless an agreement is made, and the loco doesn't get taken away once the work has been done ... The VGR are more than willing to put in the hard yards, and have the facilities at their disposal to carry out the work. They also have the knowledge, and expertise on-tap so that the overhaul is carried out correctly, and ensure the loco is cared for once all maintenance is completed.
BW

It's all in BW's post if you'd bothered to look.

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  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Would a letter writing campaign to Victracks heritage division result in this asset being reassigned to VGR or Steamrail? If people can present a good enough case to send the loco to another heritage group who will look after it...?
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
It's all in BW's post if you'd bothered to look.
michaelgreenhill

Yeah, I bothered to look, thank you Confused
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Would a letter writing campaign to Victracks heritage division result in this asset being reassigned to VGR or Steamrail? If people can present a good enough case to send the loco to another heritage group who will look after it...?
Raichase

Who knows. The evidence is right before Victrack; so it's really up to them to investigate, and hopefully come to the right decision regarding the locomotive's future. All I can do is relay my opinions and concerns to them as a former volunteer, who has cared for J515 in the past. In my eyes, the VGR is the ideal home for the locomotive, and it should be re-allocated to them.

Another angle of consideration is to think of the Victrack Heritage owned 'E' cars which still haven't been fitted with retention toilets, and are collecting dust in the sheds at Seymour. No interest in them, and they could be re-allocated to other groups who would use, and cherish them. The only plus at present is that they are undercover. Without these carriages, there is little point in having the J. You don't get the sights; sounds, and smells of a steam loco in air conditioned carriages.

The Victrack Heritage owned diesel fleet (B74; S303; T320; T357, and X31). What have they been used for other than hired to commercial companies for freight haulage, and the odd charter since October 2011? The annual Tastes of the Goulburn shuttles is about the only thing I can think of. To date, X31 still hasn't run on any sort of heritage train. Considering that Victrack did stipulate that X31 was to be a heritage unit only as part of it's custodianship, needs to be kept in mind. When I questioned President Rutledge about this at the time, he told me that as the SRHC were spending the money on it's overhaul, Victrack would be told that the loco is going out on hire.

The profit made from the leasing of the Victrack Heritage owned locomotives hasn't been spent on anything heritage. It's only been used to keep the diesel fleet operational for hire purposes; to pay contractors, and employees to carry this work out, and also to overhaul or purchase further diesels for hiring purposes (GM28, the TL's etcetera).

This is nothing that hasn't already been said before though. The current SRHC clearly aren't interested in running heritage trains, which is why the group is supposed to exist. I can't see the current situation changing anytime soon, so it's really up to Victrack Heritage to ensure that the state owned assets find homes where they will be used, and cared for. Re-allocating J515 would be a step in the right direction.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I agree with all of your points BW, they've long since ceased to be a heritage group (except "for hire"), but are you expressing your points to Victrack, or only on these forums? I'm sure with the obvious mountain of evidence, they should be forced to re-examine the allocation of these units, but it's not clear from your posts if you've been in direct contact with them or not?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
I guess because I have written my initial post on this forum, you could call it an "open letter" to Victrack Heritage.
I know they watch these forums, as do many other people high up within the rail industry. No direct contact has been made with Victrack Heritage by me though. I wouldn't even know who the contact is these days, or how to reach them, so I'm hoping these posts will reach the right person, and they will act accordingly.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
I guess because I have written my initial post on this forum, you could call it an "open letter" to Victrack Heritage.
I know they watch these forums, as do many other people high up within the rail industry. No direct contact has been made with Victrack Heritage by me though. I wouldn't even know who the contact is these days, or how to reach them, so I'm hoping these posts will reach the right person, and they will act accordingly.
Barrington Womble

Just had a look, and the link may be of help to you Smile
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I guess because I have written my initial post on this forum, you could call it an "open letter" to Victrack Heritage.
I know they watch these forums, as do many other people high up within the rail industry. No direct contact has been made with Victrack Heritage by me though. I wouldn't even know who the contact is these days, or how to reach them, so I'm hoping these posts will reach the right person, and they will act accordingly.
Barrington Womble

That's what I was worried about. Yes, I'm sure they read these forums, but there's no sure way of saying that they've read your posts. I'd suggest forwarding all of the information to them, it's only then that you can say you've tried to save the loco from going back to SRHC.
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
That's what I was worried about. Yes, I'm sure they read these forums, but there's no sure way of saying that they've read your posts. I'd suggest forwarding all of the information to them, it's only then that you can say you've tried to save the loco from going back to SRHC.
"Raichase"


I agree with Raichase. Has the VGR (or anyone else) made a serious representation to Victrak with regards the re allocating J515 or anything else? I'd suggest that, even if there are people within Victrak that read Railpage, there's not much they could do without an official approach.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It seems very quiet. Any trains scheduled? Any locos back after hire? Any more news/comment about the future of 515?
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
I guess because I have written my initial post on this forum, you could call it an "open letter" to Victrack Heritage.
I know they watch these forums, as do many other people high up within the rail industry. No direct contact has been made with Victrack Heritage by me though. I wouldn't even know who the contact is these days, or how to reach them, so I'm hoping these posts will reach the right person, and they will act accordingly.
Barrington Womble

I doubt anybody at VicTrack with the clout to deal with this reads the forums. The guy who was looking after this left, and he wasn't replaced. They have been going through yet another reorganisation over the last 12 months, and heritage has lost out big time. If you want to send a letter, send it to the CEO and a copy to the Heritage Panel.

Rick
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Relevant to this thread, there's an interesting article about the Charities Commission on the ABC news website here.

I really don't understand Tony Abbott's opposition to the Charities Commission - my personal experience is that there's heaps of so-called charities out there that need some serious attention from the ATO because they're run to benefit the people who are running them and nobody else.  Until the Gillard government made changes in 2012, there was almost no oversight whatsoever.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
It seems very quiet. Any trains scheduled? Any locos back after hire? Any more news/comment about the future of 515?
Valvegear


Other than the front page, barely a mention of tours on their website, which seems to have undergone another redesign.

http://www.srhc.org.au/

Interesting that it's now over 2.5 years since this thread was started and the information flow out of the organisation is getting less and less. Even the blog which wasn't a bad way to keep people informed has only had one update this year.

Last year I'm only aware of one members newsletter. As I don't know anyone who renewed this year, does anyone know if this has improved?
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
It seems that mismanagement of rail based businesses isn't uncommon these days. If the Facebook page is to be believed, the tramway museum at Bylands is suffering some fairly serious mismanagement at the moment, as well as the farce that is SRHC.

And this is very, very sad as there are some people out there pandering to their own egos, while some serious railway stock is being ignored and deteriorating fairly quickly Crying or Very sad
  ssj Chief Train Controller

Is there any  truth in the story that SRHC has gone into administration/receivership due to unpaid El-Zorro debt
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
That doesn't surprise me. Is there any website or avenue where one could find out for sure?

Rumours have been persisting for about a month that creditors have paid the SRHC a visit, but there hasn't been any tangible evidence of this occuring as yet. If anyone can prove that it's happened, I'm all ears.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Seems like J515 might be on the move back to Seymour this weekend...

Rest in peace, old girl. I'll miss you.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Seems like J515 might be on the move back to Seymour this weekend...
Rest in peace, old girl. I'll miss you.
Barrington Womble

If it goes back to Seymour now, the correct phrase is "Rust in peace."
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Seems like J515 might be on the move back to Seymour this weekend...

Rest in peace, old girl. I'll miss you.
Barrington Womble

Via the mainline or on the back of a truck?

Incidentally, there might be train shuttles at Seymour on Oct 18 for the annual Tastes of the Goulburn event.  R707 likely to head up for the day too I believe:
http://www.tastesofthegoulburn.org.au/whats_on.html
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Seems like J515 might be on the move back to Seymour this weekend...

Rest in peace, old girl. I'll miss you.
Barrington Womble

All I can say on J515 is 'oh dear' Crying or Very sad
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is there any truth in the story that SRHC has gone into administration/receivership due to unpaid El-Zorro debt
ssj


Not according to ASIC.  https://connectonline.asic.gov.au/RegistrySearch/faces/landing/panelSearch.jspx?searchTab=search&searchType=OrgAndBusNm&searchText=seymour+railway&_adf.ctrl-state=3frad688t_4 but there could be another entity involved?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Seems like J515 might be on the move back to Seymour this weekend...

Rest in peace, old girl. I'll miss you.
Barrington Womble

What was done to prevent this? Did anyone actually raise the issue with Victrack heritage? It's all good and well to discuss it to death on here, but did anyone actually make a case for the loco to remain at VGR?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

What was done to prevent this? Did anyone actually raise the issue with Victrack heritage? It's all good and well to discuss it to death on here, but did anyone actually make a case for the loco to remain at VGR?
Raichase

Since J549 became operational again, J515 has largely become redundant at VGR. I think its last run was late-November 2013.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
What was done to prevent this? Did anyone actually raise the issue with Victrack heritage? It's all good and well to discuss it to death on here, but did anyone actually make a case for the loco to remain at VGR?
Raichase

What do you think. I really thought you would have known better. They are well aware of the situation, and I believe various proposals have been floated for the loco to remain at the VGR. Victrack Heritage have decided to sit on the hands, and take no action. The SRHC don't really want the loco, and are damned if they'll allow anyone else to have it either. Both the president and the treasurer of the SRHC are on record as stating that the SRHC have no need for the J, so why not let someone who does want it have it? Typical bowerbird syndrome.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
What do you think. I really thought you would have known better. They are well aware of the situation, and I believe various proposals have been floated for the loco to remain at the VGR. Victrack Heritage have decided to sit on the hands, and take no action. The SRHC don't really want the loco, and are damned if they'll allow anyone else to have it either. Both the president and the treasurer of the SRHC are on record as stating that the SRHC have no need for the J, so why not let someone who does want it have it? Typical bowerbird syndrome.
Barrington Womble

You're quite right, I should have known better. Aside from ranting and raving on these forums, nobody did anything, they just watched it happen.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

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