VicRail 1980's Proposed R Type Country Carriages

 
  LegendsofSteam Junior Train Controller

I'm after some information on the VicRail 1980's Proposed R Type Country Carriages that were likely to follow construction post the N Type Passenger Carriages...

I've tried searching Railpage & the Internet in general to no avail, does any one have any information on what was proposed w/- these carriages? Things like: concept plans, proposed interior fit out, general details abt the proposed fleet ect???

Thanks in advance all.

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

I'm after some information on the VicRail 1980's Proposed R Type Country Carriages that were likely to follow construction post the N Type Passenger Carriages...

I've tried searching Railpage & the Internet in general to no avail, does any one have any information on what was proposed w/- these carriages? Things like: concept plans, proposed interior fit out, general details abt the proposed fleet ect???

Thanks in advance all.
LegendsofSteam

The intention was to build a minimum fleet of 24 R class loco hauled country carriages for use primarily on long distance Inter City services.  The cars were envisioned as embracing low weight with a tare of something like 36 tonnes, and lay back seats in both classes with on train catering .  Socimi bogies were envisioned for the R cars and 3 cars worth of bogies were imported from Italy and trialled under an H car set .  An A class loco was regeared for higher speed and with the modified H set trial runs with over 160kmh were run beyond Stawell on the Western Line. The Socimi bogies are currently rusting in the grass at Newport .

In the 1990's Melbourne submitted a bid for the 1996 Olympics and VLP planned to enlargen the fleet with an initial 24 R cars if Melbourne had won the Olympics.

In the early 1990's VLP ordered the initial Sprinters from  Goninan, and since then all VLP rollingstock acquisitions have focussed on DMU stock .
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

My recollection was that these cars were to have 2+2 seating in economy, as opposed to the 2+3 in the N sets.  I can't recall what the arrangement was to be first class, or even if there was to be first class cars.
  A no 1 Chief Commissioner

Location: I see a Seagoon
My recollection was that these cars were to have 2+2 seating in economy, as opposed to the 2+3 in the N sets. I can't recall what the arrangement was to be first class, or even if there was to be first class cars.
duttonbay

Have a look at history of Comeng vol 5 has a bit about the R class cars.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Another point is that the N sets did not originally feature a BRN buffet car, but two BN cars instead. They were built for the Geelong and Ballarat lines, their current purpose as an InterCity car is in fact an improvisation.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The original concept for the R cars was 6 x 4 car sets .  Two and two seating in both First & Economy classes.  Four car fixed consist ACR, BRR, BR, BR .   So yes First class and on train catering .  

Originally the N cars were conceived as 30 commuter cars for use on the Geelong line.  Then along came along a Ballarat by election and the concept became 36 .

Then in 1980/81 Vicrail plan to upgrade country passenger services .  N car order increased from 36 to 54 cars in 3 car consists as ACN,BN,BN.  (Other parts of that plan  Country EMU to run Traralgon, rebuild of DERMS with new motors and generators, re-build 26 B class and  13 T class locos, re-build 39 Harris cars as 13 x 3 car consists. Also 10 new N class locos. Upgrade existing  S, Z and E class air con stock . Traralgon DMU and re-build DERMS not proceeded with . Only 10 - 11 B were rebuilt as A, but 10 new N class became 26 . 54 N cars ultimately became 57. 39 H cars ultimately became 55.)

The N cars were originally envisaged as commuter cars only and early  delivery sets were  ACN,BN,BN .  To service the Inter City routes a number of four car S/Z sets were made up of ACZ,BZ,BRS,BS  and the N sets were altered progressively to  ACN,BRN,BN .

Over time the  S cars dissapeared into a fixed Geelong set and eventually withdrawn and now with enthusiast bodies.  The BRS cars progressively retired. The  AZ & BZ cars progressively morphed into ACZ, BCZ, BZN and BTN .   The a/c E cars were progressively withdrawn .

Owing to declining patronage on the old sg  SOP  VBK and  VHK  (saloon) and even some compartment cars were put back on bg to handle increased Victorian Intrastate patronage .  The 5 x S cars now stored . The saloon cars off sg morphed into ACZ, BCZ, BZN & BTN .
  nic Chief Train Controller

Location: Brisbane, QLD
Are there any images available of what these cars would have looked like?
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
I have a vague recollection of seeing an artists impression of the proposed R cars in some promotional material from vicrail. They were depicted as having a low profile with the floor level closer to the rail than conventional rolling stock and a roofline somewhat lower than the loco. Very Happy
  Campaspe 2 Locomotive Driver

As I understand it, the carriage height was pretty similar to the H cars, and was one of the reasons H cars were selected for the high speed trials on the western line in around 1985.  The R cars had some pretty radical design features, such as the air-conditioning being mounted below the floor (Presumably to reduce their centre of gravity).

A mock-up of a part of a R car was built, but was destroyed as part of the clean-out of Newport Workshops in the early 1990's (or thereabouts).

As mentioned above, there are some good images of the R cars in the Comeng history book. There was also a small article on the cars published in the railway house journal in around 1983 (I'm sorry that I can't remember the exact date).

The design of the R cars was undertaken by Commonwealth Engineering and the State Transport Authority (PTC from July 1989 onwards) actually ended up purchasing the complete set of construction drawings.  I'm not sure where they are now.

There were several attempts to obtain the funding to build these cars, but the economic downturn of the early 1990's, followed by the delivery of the Sprinters effectively ended any hope that these cars would ever be built.

Regards

Campaspe
  TedHanson Junior Train Controller

Have a look at history of Comeng vol 5 has a bit about the R class cars.
A no 1

It's Volume 4. They owe a lot of their design looks to the XPT carriages.

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