Echuca Line Crossing Upgrades

 
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Around 6 weeks ago there was still an unprotected crossing that just led to a farm property just on the Down side of the Midland Highway . Surely that does not warrant boom barrier protection ?

Also closer into Bendigo where the line runs alongside the old Workshops there was a lx where boom barriers were installed but the booms were permanetly down to road traffic and the equipment was totally dead, no lights flashing ?
kuldalai


There are 3 unprotected level crossings still on the line, the first is the one mentioned the second is opposite the Murchison road, it has a locked gate across it though. The third is providing paddock access not far from Echuca.

woodford

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You can not tell the detail as its all done in a small building immediately south of the crossing, but its very likely all done in a a single control unit, such units now being readily availible. Homes running solely on solar power now being reasonably common due to the VERY high cost of grid supllied mains.

I would be very surprised if there was any kind of gas supply anywhere near the site.

woodford
woodford


Woodford, if you are ever in the area a photo would be great Smile

Regards
Brian
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Woodford, if you are ever in the area a photo would be great Smile

Regards
Brian
bevans


http://www.flickr.com/photos/greensleeves94/14706337327/
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Looks like 3 x 280 or so watt panels?  about 800 watts.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Looks like 3 x 280 or so watt panels? about 800 watts.
bevans


That would be about right, there are 18 aprox 150 watt panels, that would produce around 800 watts continous power.

What they are doing with all that power one wonders. A Harmon controler only uses around 50 watts. The back up power for the crossing controlers on the Albury line consists of usually a single 12V 200 AH battery. What they have installed here is considerable over kill, it seems.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The panels used in the installation look to be BYD 225 watt items, that would put the continous power the installation is able to supply up top around 1000 to 1200 watts. I wonder what else they are planning to install at the location.

woodford
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
The panels used in the installation look to be BYD 225 watt items, that would put the continous power the installation is able to supply up top around 1000 to 1200 watts. I wonder what else they are planning to install at the location.

woodford
woodford


I'm no electrical engineer and my knowledge of solar cells is negligible, but if the installation is intended to be the primary power supply to the thing, then I presume it would have to be engineered to supply sufficient power in the depths of the darkest shortest winter days when the cells would generate much less than their maximum.

The other possibility of course is that the size of the cell array is not mainly for power supply purposes at all but to be shown off as an example of the environmental credentials of the State Government.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The Midland Highway at Bagshot still doesn't have Boom Barriers. Has flashing lights, Advanced Amber warning lights and even a fixed red light camera (the only one in the whole state of Victoria at a Railway Crossing), but no booms. Would I be correct in guessing this would still need to be upgraded before the project is completed?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The Midland Highway at Bagshot still doesn't have Boom Barriers. Has flashing lights, Advanced Amber warning lights and even a fixed red light camera (the only one in the whole state of Victoria at a Railway Crossing), but no booms. Would I be correct in guessing this would still need to be upgraded before the project is completed?
Gman_86


I do not really know, but from what I have seen probably not.

All most all work I have seen along the line is providing new equipment at lvl crossings with no warning systems at all. I believe they have provided new electronics at the Bagshot crossing (probably a Harmon controler, I saw them fitting one of the return loops).

From the above I assume they are unlikely to be upgrading the existing crossings without boom gates.

woodford
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I got a response from Mr Mulder. Unprotected crossings and non boom-gated high risk crossings along the line mentioned. I intend to reply to letter since there are significant and long stretches of the line (mostly the Northern half) that are fully protected which should have higher speeds, and it was also said that the "V/Line will be reviewing the opportunities for possible line speed improvements..." (emphasis mine).

Incidentally, the final high-risk level crossing (of 15) to be upgraded "is expected to be completed in the coming weeks". That's still more than 12 months past original intended completion date.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Mulder is being evasive on this one. Totally ignores fact that project is 12 months late. Also conveniently forgets it was he who promised in 2011 that line speed would be incresed to 100 kmh on completion of lx upgrades, now just fobs the issue off to VLP .Back in 2011. he made the 100kmh commitment, it is his RESPONSIBILITY to see that VLP delivers as obviously VLP promised a 100kmh speed if the funding was forthcoming from Government to upgrade the lx .
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

In the meantime, this random tweet appears:


Perhaps that could include the several unprotected or non-boomgated crossings towards Elmore, and a few on the Swan Hill line?  Would love to see "details".
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Is the 17 crossings all the ones recounted between Bendigo and Echuca
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Is the 17 crossings all the ones recounted between Bendigo and Echuca
Nightfire

According to Vicsig website, there are 10 crossings without boomgates between Bendigo and Echuca Station.  Perhaps they're going to upgrade a few crossings on the Swan Hill line?

Anyway, in other news today the vic Govt are planning on upgrading bridges on the Echuca and Deni lines.  Perhaps they're going to increase the line speed for freight trains to Deni?:
http://www.mmg.com.au/local-news/echuca/victorian-government-to-commit-1m-to-echuca-rail-line-1.80279

"Member for Swan Hill Peter Walsh will announce upgrades to Bendigo to Echuca rail line, as well as a further upgrade to the Deniliquin line for rice freight, during celebrations at Echuca Railway station tomorrow.


The Victorian Coalition Government will add to joyful celebrations in Echuca tommorow for the 150th years of trains in the town, announcing more than $1 million in rail upgrades in the next year.
Member for Swan Hill, Minister Peter Walsh will announce that  V/Line will invest $730,000 to upgrade eight bridges between Bendigo and Echuca from timber to concrete.
"20,000 passengers a year catch V/Line Echuca line trains.  The Coalition is committed to keeping passenger trains on the line."
Mr Walsh said that the Victorian Government would also invest a further $400,000 to upgrade bridge decks and undertake trackworks on the line to Deniliquin that is used by SunRice for containerised rice.
More in Monday's Riverine Herald."
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Hmm...hope there could be a train service frequency increase announcement as well.

As the former seat of Rodney is safe Nat. there's nothing in this to try and swing a seat either way.

Mike.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Attention to all who want to influence Government policy on Echuca's passenger rail service.  The Campaspe Shire have a survey running in an endeavour to improve passenger rail to Echuca and the surrounding areas: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Passenger_Rail_Echuca_Line

Good to see several local councils work together to try to get some action from Spring St.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Despite both  former Minister Mulder and V/Line informing that the Echuca level crossing upgrade program is finally complete after a year late inspection just prior to Christmas reveals it is not .

1.  Whirakee Rd at Huntly the solar installation claimed as commissioned as bb in August, 2014 is still not operable.

2. VLP claim there are 11 crossings still with flashing lights between Bendigo & Echuca when in fact there are only 5 - 6 .
VLP claim a high number of unprotected crossings still when in fact it is 2 - 3.

3.  Frangible gates at two locations which are supposed to be locked across the roadway were found to be chained and locked open to road traffic just before Christmas.

Clearly when VLP sought funds in 2011 to upgrade the lx protection to achieve a 100kmh linespeed they had a plan to fit 13 crossings with improved protection, close some crossings, and install the frangible gates at some crossings.  A total 15 crossings have received booms albeit Whirakee Rd is still to be commissioned .  So  VLP need a rocket from the new Minister to get cracking  and get Whirakee  Rd commissioned, close the frangible gates and raise the line speed to 100kmh .

It is a damning endightment on Minister Mulder that he was not more pro-active in getting VLP to deliver as promised and funded, and of course on VLP  who after  15 months late are still mucking around on bringing this project to completion and increasing the line speed as promised .
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Despite both  former Minister Mulder and V/Line informing that the Echuca level crossing upgrade program is finally complete after a year late inspection just prior to Christmas reveals it is not .

It is a damning endightment on Minister Mulder that he was not more pro-active in getting VLP to deliver as promised and funded, and of course on VLP  who after  15 months late are still mucking around on bringing this project to completion and increasing the line speed as promised .
kuldalai

What does this also say viz a viz vline management?  Are they not able to seek and gain the right amount of funds for a project?  It is not always the fault of the government.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Despite both  former Minister Mulder and V/Line informing that the Echuca level crossing upgrade program is finally complete after a year late inspection just prior to Christmas reveals it is not .

1.  Whirakee Rd at Huntly the solar installation claimed as commissioned as bb in August, 2014 is still not operable.

2. VLP claim there are 11 crossings still with flashing lights between Bendigo & Echuca when in fact there are only 5 - 6 .
VLP claim a high number of unprotected crossings still when in fact it is 2 - 3.

3.  Frangible gates at two locations which are supposed to be locked across the roadway were found to be chained and locked open to road traffic just before Christmas.

Clearly when VLP sought funds in 2011 to upgrade the lx protection to achieve a 100kmh linespeed they had a plan to fit 13 crossings with improved protection, close some crossings, and install the frangible gates at some crossings.  A total 15 crossings have received booms albeit Whirakee Rd is still to be commissioned .  So  VLP need a rocket from the new Minister to get cracking  and get Whirakee  Rd commissioned, close the frangible gates and raise the line speed to 100kmh .

It is a damning endightment on Minister Mulder that he was not more pro-active in getting VLP to deliver as promised and funded, and of course on VLP  who after  15 months late are still mucking around on bringing this project to completion and increasing the line speed as promised .
kuldalai
A couple of points, I get the impression from many tours of the line that the project has been done when spare resources were availible, so its likely VLIne was NOT given enough funds to complete the project in one go and had to complete it when maintenece funds were availible.

There are from memory only 2 unprotected crossings, one north of Bagshot the other just south of Echuce both of these are paddock access crossings, these rarely have anything other than signs. There may be a 3rd, I cannot at this stage remember where it is, its a paddock access crossing to.

The problem with the gates may not be VLines direct responsibilty, when fitted both gates were locked, some user may not be locking them.

There appear to have been little attempt to upgrade crossings with only lights and bells, the project has been mostly fitting barrier warning systems to crossings that only had signs.

woodford
  Catdog Station Staff

Location: Koyuga, Victoria, Australia
Thanks for highlighting the survey. I will make it's presence known around home
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The other possibility of course is that the size of the cell array is not mainly for power supply purposes at all but to be shown off as an example of the environmental credentials of the State Government.
Calgully

The 18 solar panel also provide shade for the relay room, like what a lot of relay rooms in NSW have.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The 18 solar panel also provide shade for the relay room, like what a lot of relay rooms in NSW have.
awsgc24

In NSW level crossings have telemetry via telephone cable or GSM-R to monitor level crossings from a central location. Thus if something fails, remedial action can be taken.

Cannot speak for other states, but remote sensing would be a good idea.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The 18 solar panel also provide shade for the relay room, like what a lot of relay rooms in NSW have.

In NSW level crossings have telemetry via telephone cable or GSM-R to monitor level crossings from a central location. Thus if something fails, remedial action can be taken.

Cannot speak for other states, but remote sensing would be a good idea.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
In NSW level crossings have telemetry via telephone cable or GSM-R to monitor level crossings from a central location. Thus if something fails, remedial action can be taken.

Cannot speak for other states, but remote sensing would be a good idea.
awsgc24

In the Sydney area it is done on the railcorp network.

GSM-R is being dropped by some operators in Europe in favour of their own communication systems.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
In NSW level crossings have telemetry via telephone cable or GSM-R to monitor level crossings from a central location. Thus if something fails, remedial action can be taken.

Cannot speak for other states, but remote sensing would be a good idea.
awsgc24

The following diagram shows NSW level crossing ID number(s) near Boggabri:

http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR591.pdf

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