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      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    Not much heard from train radio, but plenty from CFS channels, Dangerous good train burning near snowtown from what I understand from what I've heard it is a chemical fire "various acids" with adjacent cars containing urainium.


    MFS: *CFSRES INC0053 21/08/14 11:00 RESPOND HAZMAT, ALARM LEVEL: 1, LOT 25 RAILWAY TCE SNOWTOWN,MAP:C/266


    54,TG 065, == FIRE ON TRAIN IN SNOWTOWN DANGEROUS GOOD ON TRAIN :CLAR24P H LCHL34 PTWK24P H :CLAR24P H HZ: WATTS R4 TAPSCOT: SNOW34 :
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 12:32

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      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    believed to be 3da2 being lead by gwu001.
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 12:48
      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    4sa8 the indian pacific is now south of crystal brook and heading toward snowtown so would expect some delays.
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 13:05
      Sojourner Train Controller
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 13:49
      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    3da2 is still at snowtown with 4sa8 about to pass.
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 14:15
      62440 Chief Commissioner

    Grainy in the branch probably held up too. IP has passed ok
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 14:18

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      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    Grainy in the branch probably held up too
    62440


    1471s is also stuck. lead by 2210
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 14:20
      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    3da2 is still at snowtown with 4sa8 about to pass.
    JimYarin


    3da2 still at snowtown and the grainy.
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 16:10

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      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    Not much heard from train radio, but plenty from CFS channels, Dangerous good train burning near snowtown from what I understand from what I've heard it is a chemical fire "various acids" with adjacent cars containing urainium.
    "freightgate"


    From the link provided by Sojourner

    "Smouldering acid raises alarm in Snowtown
    Firefighters are monitoring a potential chemical hazard in Snowtown, north of Adelaide, after being alerted to a smouldering drum of hydrochloric acid on a freight train.
    The Country Fire Service (CFS) says it received reports just after 11am (CST) on Thursday that a 1000 litre drum of hydrochloric acid was smouldering as it was transported on a freight train.
    A hazmat crew is at the scene at Railway Terrace but there has been no spillage to pose any significant threat, a CFS spokesman says.
    © AAP 2014"
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 17:50
      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    From the link provided by Sojourner

    "Smouldering acid raises alarm in Snowtown
    Firefighters are monitoring a potential chemical hazard in Snowtown, north of Adelaide, after being alerted to a smouldering drum of hydrochloric acid on a freight train.
    The Country Fire Service (CFS) says it received reports just after 11am (CST) on Thursday that a 1000 litre drum of hydrochloric acid was smouldering as it was transported on a freight train.
    A hazmat crew is at the scene at Railway Terrace but there has been no spillage to pose any significant threat, a CFS spokesman says.
    © AAP 2014"
    Pressman

    Hydrochloric Acid does not burn or I would have thought smolder. The most concentrated form in liquid state is 33% acid in water by weight. Exposure to skin is not recommended especially eyes and can cause long term damage here, but if splashed over you its not like battery acid that melts the skin. If exposed to steel it eats the rust.

    If heated up the HCl will evolve as a gas and this is a bit nasty to inhale.

    The 1000L drum is usually a bulk-a-box, which is a roughly 1 x 1 x 1m plastic cube in a steel cage, so perhaps the drum has been affected by other sources.
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 18:33
      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    Thank you or the appriasal. The train has reached Adelaide after a considerable delay at Snowtown.

    3DA2 actually passed the previous days service.
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 19:27
      NG Sulzers Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Quorn
    3DA2 passed the previous days service. If I'm reading that right, 3DA2 passed 2DA2?
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 23:09
      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    4da2 passed 3da2
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 23:12
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    Hydrochloric Acid does not burn or I would have thought smolder.
    RTT_Rules

    No, but it will liberate chlorine gas which is a sufficiently strong oxidising agent to cause much concern. I have seen timber exposed to concentrated hydrochloric acid oxidise with sufficient heat liberated to cause the wood to ignite.
    Posted: 22 Aug 2014 02:46
      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    is the atsb intending to write a report on the issue at snowtown?
    Posted: 25 Aug 2014 08:53
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    is the atsb intending to write a report on the issue at snowtown?
    JimYarin

    Simple answer would appear to be , no

    http://http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/safety-investigation-reports.aspx?mode=Rail

    Minor incident - why waste taxpayers money?

    I'm sure there are various state based bodies that can deal with any statutory inquiries.

    #nottheendoftheworld
    Posted: 25 Aug 2014 13:11

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      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    thks bingley.  i could not imagine this either.
    Posted: 25 Aug 2014 16:20
      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    There is now an ATSB investigation.

    They seem to think it was related to a helicopter crash in WA though…

    Posted: 27 Aug 2014 18:16
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    Wonder if the ATSB will have an investigation into the cross contamination of their Aviation and Rail report pages
    Posted: 27 Aug 2014 19:29
      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    Wonder if the ATSB will have an investigation into the cross contamination of their Aviation and Rail report pages
    "Pressman"
    It would probably lead to the recommendation that the ATSB should avoid barbecues for staff functions.
    Posted: 27 Aug 2014 21:22
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    It would probably lead to the recommendation that the ATSB should avoid barbecues for staff functions.
    justapassenger

    Especially if it's being cooked by an English migrant, but then most of the 'local' staff would already know that anyway.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2014 13:24

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      Alco_Haulic Chief Commissioner

    Location: Eating out...
    The 1000L drum is usually a bulk-a-box, which is a roughly 1 x 1 x 1m plastic cube in a steel cage, so perhaps the drum has been affected by other sources.
    RTT_Rules

    Best known as IBC's, Intermediate Bulk Container. They are a hell of a lot easier to restrain on trucks than 44-gallon drums, but they do have other issues. For instance, I can load petrol in 44-gallon drums on a semi, and not need a dangerous goods license. However, ONE IBC and I need a DG license.

    A few companies bring loaded IBC's out from the Territory in boxes. I've run a load of Ethyl Glycol for NQX once out of Islington. One very heavy load.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2014 17:53

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