Pakenham line train passengers left on platform as V-line blamed for Metro Trains Melbourne rescheduling

 

News article: Pakenham line train passengers left on platform as V-line blamed for Metro Trains Melbourne rescheduling

SHOCKED commuters on the Pakenham line were left standing on the platforms at Narre Warren and Hallam stations this morning as their city-bound train raced past them on its way to Dandenong.

  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
SHOCKED commuters on the Pakenham line were left standing on the platforms at Narre Warren and Hallam stations this morning as their city-bound train raced past them on its way to Dandenong.

Passengers boarding the train at Berwick were luckier.

As the 7.28am pulled into the station, commuters were advised the train would run express to Dandenong and then follow the normal timetable schedule to the city.
Pakenham line train passengers left on platform as V-line blamed for Metro Trains Melbourne rescheduling



is this usual for the peaks?

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  scollyalan Station Staff

Last Friday afternoon (5/9) was standing on the Cardinia Road station and a late Up Gippslander running about 12 minutes late must have blocked the following Pakenham service and to make up time this train was only stopping at Cardinia Road, Berwick, Dandenong, Westall and then all stations to the city, which means a 40 minute gap for the smaller stations between Pakenham and Dandenong. Some would have not been pleased about this.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
It's time we got V/Line off the metropolitan network.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
It's time we got V/Line off the metropolitan network.
Braddo

Yes, a third track will do.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Yes, a third track will do.
speedemon08

Will it really? A third track with passing loop sections just for V/Line and Gippsland freight services?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Will it really? A third track with passing loop sections just for V/Line and Gippsland freight services?
LancedDendrite

Well it's either that or Braddo can stand from Narre Warren into the city in AM and PM peak like he seems to suggest.

Hell, even putting in overtaking lanes will do, that's the main issue
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Well it's either that or Braddo can stand from Narre Warren into the city in AM and PM peak like he seems to suggest.

Hell, even putting in overtaking lanes will do, that's the main issue
speedemon08

I'm more wondering about the wisdom of a V/Line + freight only single line versus going the whole hog with full quadruplication with electrification for V/Line + freight + Metro express services. Which one is more cost effective?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I'm more wondering about the wisdom of a V/Line + freight only single line versus going the whole hog with full quadruplication with electrification for V/Line + freight + Metro express services. Which one is more cost effective?
LancedDendrite

I think you'd be better off with the latter as it would allow for more regular use of the tracks.
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
If the mix of Vline and Metro services is causing problems now, then why has the government settled on just two tracks in the planned grade separations through the suburbs, when there is space for three to be built ?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If the mix of Vline and Metro services is causing problems now, then why has the government settled on just two tracks in the planned grade separations through the suburbs, when there is space for three to be built ?
Edith

The standard total lack of Government brains; what else?
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
I just don't see the need for V/Line to run all the way to SSS. If we can use Metro trains on the Metro network why can't the country passengers? Surely they don't deserve to travel in more comfort than the people who actually live here.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I just don't see the need for V/Line to run all the way to SSS. If we can use Metro trains on the Metro network why can't the country passengers? Surely they don't deserve to travel in more comfort than the people who actually live here.
Braddo

"I dont see the need for people living in Pakenham to Commute into the city either... Maybe we should tell them to change at Dandenong because they dont deserve an express into the city service"

God you've got a thick skull. The metro trains are for people living in the city, and the V/line trains are for the country people. We get slightly better service because we have to travel longer.

Guarantee half the people catching the train would go and clog up the Monash if they got told to change at Pakenham.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Sure they would.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I just don't see the need for V/Line to run all the way to SSS. If we can use Metro trains on the Metro network why can't the country passengers? Surely they don't deserve to travel in more comfort than the people who actually live here.
Braddo

Become a regional commuter and you would soon realise that you wouldn't be wanting to change to a METRO train that has hard seats, etched windows, graffiti everywhere, drug affected pax and stops most of the stations the V/Line train used to roll through...express.

Then when it was time to return home....crowds and no seat until after Oakleigh or worse...

Besides it would be political dynamite.

Mike.
  JasonJones Station Staff

Location: Pakenham, Victoria
I get annoyed when people say that Traralgon line Train should not go to Southern Cross. should Geelong Trains should not a werribee. Should Shepparton Trains or Seymour Train stop at Craigeburn or Broadmeadows, Should Benidgo Train stop at Sunbury? You will say no.

Pakenham Station is struggling since the increase in frequency and should have a 3rd platform for V-line train.

The first cross over between train in normally in line of sight of Pakenham Station Platform and when the Train Arrives at Pakenham every hour a V-line train is hot on it heels with another waiting on the gippsland side of Pakenham to come in. Pakenham has effectively lost 1 platform because v-line had a window of about 15 minutes now they do have that option.

So Pakenham does not have the factilies to provide it. Region fast rail on the line proved it on the platform and also out side the platform


The Western Suburbs are very very lucky to have there very own V-line Regional Fast rail line because sadly poor Goverment has not invested in the  rail infrastructure for many yes until now in South Eastern Suburbs.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I believe that is planned as the South East Rail Link.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
UP Vline trains should pick up suburban passengers at suburban stations at which they stop.

This would help (marginally) with spark loadings and provide an overall improved service for all with minimal inconvenience to longer distance passengers. There is at least one H car set ex Seymour in the morning peak that regularly runs with plenty of seats to spare.

This should not apply to DOWN services so as to allow long distance passengers access to seats that would otherwise be taken by shorthaul passengers despite the fact that some trains only run part full.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
UP Vline trains should pick up suburban passengers at suburban stations at which they stop.

This would help (marginally) with spark loadings and provide an overall improved service for all with minimal inconvenience to longer distance passengers. There is at least one H car set ex Seymour in the morning peak that regularly runs with plenty of seats to spare.

This should not apply to DOWN services so as to allow long distance passengers access to seats that would otherwise be taken by shorthaul passengers despite the fact that some trains only run part full.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
UP Vline trains should pick up suburban passengers at suburban stations at which they stop.

This would help (marginally) with spark loadings and provide an overall improved service for all with minimal inconvenience to longer distance passengers. There is at least one H car set ex Seymour in the morning peak that regularly runs with plenty of seats to spare.

This should not apply to DOWN services so as to allow long distance passengers access to seats that would otherwise be taken by shorthaul passengers despite the fact that some trains only run part full.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
UP Vline trains should pick up suburban passengers at suburban stations at which they stop.

This would help (marginally) with spark loadings and provide an overall improved service for all with minimal inconvenience to longer distance passengers. There is at least one H car set ex Seymour in the morning peak that regularly runs with plenty of seats to spare.

This should not apply to DOWN services so as to allow long distance passengers access to seats that would otherwise be taken by shorthaul passengers despite the fact that some trains only run part full.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
UP Vline trains should pick up suburban passengers at suburban stations at which they stop.

This would help (marginally) with spark loadings and provide an overall improved service for all with minimal inconvenience to longer distance passengers. There is at least one H car set ex Seymour in the morning peak that regularly runs with plenty of seats to spare.

This should not apply to DOWN services so as to allow long distance passengers access to seats that would otherwise be taken by shorthaul passengers despite the fact that some trains only run part full.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
UP Vline trains should pick up suburban passengers at suburban stations at which they stop.

This would help (marginally) with spark loadings and provide an overall improved service for all with minimal inconvenience to longer distance passengers. There is at least one H car set ex Seymour in the morning peak that regularly runs with plenty of seats to spare.

This should not apply to DOWN services so as to allow long distance passengers access to seats that would otherwise be taken by shorthaul passengers despite the fact that some trains only run part full.
YM-Mundrabilla

All non reserved V/Line services does not guarantee a seat, 2nd thing You can't get on at Craigieburn in the peak services because the train does not stop there.

Third thing - only way it would work - if you allowed them on the PM peak service too because people would say I can travel in AM peak service on the V/Line service , so that means I can travel in PM peak too on the V/Line service!

Seymour services does not have capacity problem and so people at Craigieburn should  be allowed to board the service.

Most people on the Craigieburn line would still use the Metro service over the V/Line service because it goes in the city loop.

Other note: in the future Seymour services may be running on the Upfield line because of capacity problems on the Craigieburn Line via Broadmeadows - so they can run more Metro services to Craigieburn.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
All non reserved V/Line services does not guarantee a seat, 2nd thing You can't get on at Craigieburn in the peak services because the train does not stop there.

Third thing - only way it would work - if you allowed them on the PM peak service too because people would say I can travel in AM peak service on the V/Line service , so that means I can travel in PM peak too on the V/Line service!

Seymour services does not have capacity problem and so people at Craigieburn should be allowed to board the service.

Most people on the Craigieburn line would still use the Metro service over the V/Line service because it goes in the city loop.

Other note: in the future Seymour services may be running on the Upfield line because of capacity problems on the Craigieburn Line via Broadmeadows - so they can run more Metro services to Craigieburn.
melbtrip

They stop at Broady and/or Essendon on the UP so same principle would/should apply.
On reflection, they should also let Broady passengers on the DOWN in the evening peak. It bugs me to see Vline services which are only part full sail past the rest of us who are afflicted with Metro all because of uncoordinated services, sacred cows and political interference.
We could pretty much have our cake and eat it too if it was properly done!

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