Long Island steel

 
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Long Island steel thru Armadale at 11.30am

Hauled by a newly painted G541 + BL34 - 18 steel coil wagons and 13-14 scrap steel wagons.

About a third of the wagons seemed to have wheel flats.  

Two questions.

How often are these wheels checked?

What damage do flats cause to the rails?

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
After looking back through dad's photos from the 70s and 80s I've not seen electric locos on it.
michaelgreenhill

To my knowledge which goes back to the mid 1970s the Long Island steel trains have always been diesel hauled. Often the Adelaide engines would work through to/from Long Island so that Cs, other Victorian engines were ubiquitous, 930s and 700s were all also fairly common.

Try and run a C class down there now - it would be the end of Metro, Victrack and VLine in one hit.

Prior to the steel terminal in the Canal there was a proposal to retail the slab transfer at Albury and simply run Albury - Long Island as through services. This, however, would have involved a crew change at North Melbourne. Even then (1990s) this would have had a similar effect on the foregoing players regardless of whatever they were called that day!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Long Island steel thru Armadale at 11.30am

Hauled by a newly painted G541 + BL34 - 18 steel coil wagons and 13-14 scrap steel wagons.

About a third of the wagons seemed to have wheel flats.

Two questions.

How often are these wheels checked?

What damage do flats cause to the rails?
Boss

Wheel condition is normally checked on arrival/departure roll-bys
Apart from not doing the rails any good, flats can have very deleterious effects on bearings.
Wheel flats come (or did when I was mixed up in it) in 5 classes, viz:

Class 1: less than 25mm - OK
Class 2: 25 - 40mm - max 80km/h
Class 3: 40 - 60mm - max 40km/h
Class 4: 60 - 100mm - max 25 km/h
Class 5: 100+mm - not to go

Scale buildup on wheels may also make wheel noise.
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Wheel condition is normally checked on arrival/departure roll-bys
Apart from not doing the rails any good, flats can have very deleterious effects on bearings.
Wheel flats come (or did when I was mixed up in it) in 5 classes, viz:

Class 1: less than 25mm - OK
Class 2: 25 - 40mm - max 80km/h
Class 3: 40 - 60mm - max 40km/h
Class 4: 60 - 100mm - max 25 km/h
Class 5: 100+mm - not to go

Scale buildup on wheels may also make wheel noise.
YM-Mundrabilla

Thanks YM.

Obviously I can't tell which of the classes the noise I hear falls into but as the steelie is unlikely to be doing more than 40-50ks on the way up from Toorak I suspect it may be in the centre of the range and then on 20-30% of the wagons.

Might also explain the number of loose dog spikes on the Frankston up/down lines thru Armadale station.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
are there still 4 trains per day between melbourne yard and the bhp sidings at hastings?
  73LJWhiteSL Deputy Commissioner

Location: South East Melbourne Surburbs
BL 34 & BL 29 just rolled through Armadale with down Long Island Steel

Steve
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hello all,
This service hasn't appeared in the 1100-1230 timeslot on sat/sun for the last two weekends...
Any idea if there's anything hindering its ability to run or the timetable has changed?
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Long Island Steel thru Armadale just after Noon today.
Hauled by only BL34 + 18 coil wagon - 3 empty and 13 scrap steel wagons.

BL34 was working flat out and must have been close to its max weight given this length train is normally headed by 2 engines - recently either BL 29 + 34 or one BL + G541

Edit Only 18 Coil wagons - not 19 sorry for the mistake
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
G+BL+Y164 on the down today at lunch time through South Yarra.
I assume it was up in Dynon for servicing? Or is going to replace the shunter down there now?
  Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

Location: FL390
G+BL+Y164 on the down today at lunch time through South Yarra.
I assume it was up in Dynon for servicing? Or is going to replace the shunter down there now?
steven_h

This transfer usually occurs annually to allow Y148 to be serviced in Melbourne. 148 was attached to 9558 up LI yesterday.
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Y148 was attached heading to Long Island today through Southern Cross:

  historian Deputy Commissioner

I've noticed a distinct lack of activity in the steel sidings (E Gate area) Melbourne Yard. The two sidings next to the reversing loop used to transfer the loading were completely empty on Wednesday and Thursday - I can't remember the last time I've seen this.

Has the transfer point been relocated? (This will happen at some point as the E Gate area is slated for redevelopment.) Or has the timetable been completely recast? Or have the Long Island steel trains ceased running?
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
I've noticed a distinct lack of activity in the steel sidings (E Gate area) Melbourne Yard. The two sidings next to the reversing loop used to transfer the loading were completely empty on Wednesday and Thursday - I can't remember the last time I've seen this.

Has the transfer point been relocated? (This will happen at some point as the E Gate area is slated for redevelopment.) Or has the timetable been completely recast? Or have the Long Island steel trains ceased running?
historian

Time table has been recast.  No date now. (I have been advised)

Some steel loading is being put into the MFT on the northern side.  @Michelle12 can probably advise more.  But with the amount of steel coming into and out of Melbourne hard to see where it will all go.

There is a real lack of yard space around Melbourne Ports so let's hope another operator could use the Operations Terminal if PN have stopped using it.
  ozfreight Chief Train Controller

Location: hawthorn 3122
A new gantry crane is being erected at the northern end of south Dynon yard ,similar to one used at Egate to transfer broad/standard gauge steel traffic.
  BigBoy2015 Station Master

A new gantry crane is being erected at the northern end of south Dynon yard ,similar to one used at Egate to transfer broad/standard gauge steel traffic.
ozfreight

Is there enough capacity to handle the amount of steel traffic?  The PN yard is almost at capacity now.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

The South Dyno yard is scheduled to be closed and redeveloped for housing............sooner rather than later............
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Train still passed South Yarra curve (the noise is fantastic) yesterday (23rd March 2015) at 1133 Down, 1854 Up and then 2358 Down.
I still haven't been awake ~6am to hear it return.

They might just be doing very efficient SG to BG transfers in the yard and not leaving random equipment lying around.


Meanwhile, anyone have a power source they can provide me between Hawksburn and South Yarra? I have pretty good line-of-sight but would need power for a proper camera.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
The South Dyno yard is scheduled to be closed and redeveloped for housing............sooner rather than later............
trainbrain

Is this another name for the Operations Terminal?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
This area is what different generations have known as the Steel Terminal and the Canal.
How much is to be sold to their developer mates? Just the current steel transfer area or the whole area (including the Reversing Loop) between what used to be Contrans on Dynon Road and the Steel Terminal on Footscray Road?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is there enough capacity to handle the amount of steel traffic?  The PN yard is almost at capacity now.
BigBoy2015

This is a good question.  There is hardly enough siding space now.  PN must be close to capacity in South Dynon (MFT)?

There are PN trains which now cannot enter the MFT without space being made by departing trains.

The rail freight task is growing and yards are being removed.  Is this the best plan for rail?

Question.  I did not believe there was a BG connection into the MFT anymore?
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

http://www.majorprojects.vic.gov.au/project/e-gate/

From what I remember hearing the steel siding was moving out to Somerton.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
http://www.majorprojects.vic.gov.au/project/e-gate/

From what I remember hearing the steel siding was moving out to Somerton.
ab123

This was a Liberal Party project.  Obviously a plan to sell land cheaply to their mates.
  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
This is a good question.  There is hardly enough siding space now.  PN must be close to capacity in South Dynon (MFT)?

There are PN trains which now cannot enter the MFT without space being made by departing trains.

The rail freight task is growing and yards are being removed.  Is this the best plan for rail?

Question.  I did not believe there was a BG connection into the MFT anymore?
bevans
The broad gauge is connected to MFT via the dive under  the RRL which has standard gauge as well for shunting purposes.
Lately i have seen the long island arrive and depart from here as i think they are are using the east end of the MFT yard for loading and unloading of coils.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Relevant to this topic: anyone know why BL32+34 went down light engine mid morning today?  It's unusual to have a light engine movement on the Long Island circuit due to the lack of paths on the single line.  Sighted waiting in 3 road at Frankston at midday having run the Flinders Street around an hour before.
  ossie_66 Station Staff

The Herald Sun is reporting the closure of the Stony Point line until at least late June to allow faulty level crossings to be fixed.  Would "closure" mean passenger services only, or would the Steel Train also be caught up in that?  

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/south-east/faulty-level-crossings-shut-down-stony-point-train-line/story-fngnvmhm-1227330403015

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