Trains - Toowoomba Carnival of Flowers

 
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
I had some time on Saturday 20th to chase the tour Brisbane to Toowoomba run for the carnival of Flowers. 1079 looked really smart and sounded in excellent condition. The failure of 1620 at Helidon gave 1079 some extra work between there and Murphys Creek where 1733 was attached for the remainder of the climb to Toowoomba. A bonus was seeing the Westlander which was running later than I expected. Click the photos for a larger image and details.

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CarnivalTrain 006 Copy par GrahamH, on ipernity

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CarnivalTrain 014 par GrahamH, on ipernity

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CarnivalTrain 018 par GrahamH, on ipernity

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CarnivalTrain 023 par GrahamH, on ipernity

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CarnivalTrain 025 par GrahamH, on ipernity

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CarnivalTrain 026 par GrahamH, on ipernity


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CarnivalTrain 029 par GrahamH, on ipernity

A few extra photos here http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/album/648319?with=35092487

(Edit to correct loco number).

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  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
1079 looked and sounded great.  Certainly more than i did as the slouching onlooker...  Smile

Pics here with video to come.

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  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

Great shots, GrahamH and locojoe67.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
On Wednesday 24th I was out an about again. The main point being the ARHS tour with the 2000 cl railmotor. Click a photo for a larger image and its description.

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201409CarnivalTrain 038 par GrahamH, on ipernity

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See more here http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/album/648319?view=0
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
Thanks Graham. 1620 still lounging in the shed, I see.

Would have liked to get out to see the railmotors, but alas, work-life balance issues...

Video is now up:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvkIbvDGJzE&list=UUe-iUL_rS6xOCQvgBNNXdwQ
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Now, doesn't 1079 look just splendid... Well done to those responsible. Cool
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Good stuff Graham! Good to see you out and about photographing trains, something I haven't had much opportunity to do for a while. Crying or Very sad
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney


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CarnivalTrain 029 par GrahamH, on ipernity

GrahamH


Note the check rail for sharp ARAII 5 chain (100m) curves.

What is the distance between the running rail and check rail? This distance is not large.

During debates about 3rd rail operation in NSW and VIC on dual gauge between 1435mm and 1600mm, it was adjudged that the gap of "only" 165mm was too small to allow safe operation.

What is the similar gap of the check rail in QLD, and why is it allowed when dual gauge in NSW/VIC was not allowed, except perhaps in low speed sidings?

See: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1832695.htm#1832695
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Note the check rail for sharp ARAFI 5 chain (100m) curves.

What is the distance between the running rail and check rail? This distance is not large.

During debates about 3rd rail operation in in NSW and VIC on dual gauge between 1435mm and 1600mm, it was ajudged that the gap of "only" 165mm was too small to allow safe operation.

What is the similar gap of the check rail in QLD, and why is it allowed when dual gauge in NSW/VIC was not allowed, except perhaps in low speed sidings?

See: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1832695.htm#1832695
awsgc24



I have no actual perway knowledge but; using a more suitable photo I enlarged the original on the laptop so the railhead centres were 150mm apart, 150 ~ 1067. The centres of the check rail to the adjacent rail is 17mm and to the distant rail is 133mm. By my calculation this gives approx. 120mm centres for the check rail separation. I haven't seen all that many trains here but I don't think any exceeds 50Kmh and probably more like 40Kmh. A measure of train speed can be done using the 6 sec difference between photos 037 & 038 and the length of the cars, their advance can be seen as two whole cars + length of the rear doors of one to the leading doors of the next. Sadly I have no idea of the car dimensions.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
I have no actual perway knowledge but; using a more suitable photo I enlarged the original on the laptop so the railhead centres were 150mm apart, 150 ~ 1067. The centres of the check rail to the adjacent rail is 17mm and to the distant rail is 133mm. By my calculation this gives approx. 120mm centres for the check rail separation. I haven't seen all that many trains here but I don't think any exceeds 50Kmh and probably more like 40Kmh. A measure of train speed can be done using the 6 sec difference between photos 037 & 038 and the length of the cars, their advance can be seen as two whole cars + length of the rear doors of one to the leading doors of the next. Sadly I have no idea of the car dimensions.
GrahamH


Thank you for your as scientific-as-possible explanation. Will have to ask perwaynut or perwaynutQld.

It would help if someone in Qld could use a tapemeasure and measure things.

The width of the railhead is also important since this value must be deducted from the "same-side" gauge.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Thank you for your as scientific-as-possible explanation. Will have to ask perwaynut or perwaynutQld.

It would help if someone in Qld could use a tapemeasure and measure things.

The width of the railhead is also important since this value must be deducted from the "same-side" gauge.
awsgc24

Using the same photo the edge to edge gap measures as 9mm giving approx. 65mm.

I have always thought it looked much smaller than my recollection of the SG-BG gap. If I get an opportunity to measure a gap elsewhere eg level crossing I'll add the info here.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Using the same photo the edge to edge gap measures as 9mm giving approx. 65mm.

I have always thought it looked much smaller than my recollection of the SG-BG gap. If I get an opportunity to measure a gap elsewhere eg level crossing I'll add the info here.
GrahamH


I shall await same with eager anticipation.

BTW, one must explore the matter of "gauge widening" on very sharp curves.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
A photo of the check rail at the Margaret St LC in Toowoomba. There is a around a 60mm gap between the faces of the rail and the check rail. This is close to the estimate of the gap in the photos above. The side of the rail is partly hidden by the gravel for some metres along the track heading away from the LC so I was not able (very prominent anti-trespass warning signs in a busy location) to determine the weight of the rails.

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  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
A photo of the check rail at the Margaret St LC in Toowoomba. There is a around a 60mm gap between the faces of the rail and the check rail. This is close to the estimate of the gap in the photos above. The side of the rail is partly hidden by the gravel for some metres along the track heading away from the LC so I was not able (very prominent anti-trespass warning signs in a busy location) to determine the weight of the rails.

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GrahamH


Is it correct to say that the left side rail in the picture, being more shiny, is the running rail, while the more rusty right side rail is the check rail? The heads of both rails seem to be about 2.5inches.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
A photo of the check rail at the Margaret St LC in Toowoomba. There is a around a 60mm gap between the faces of the rail and the check rail. This is close to the estimate of the gap in the photos above. The side of the rail is partly hidden by the gravel for some metres along the track heading away from the LC so I was not able (very prominent anti-trespass warning signs in a busy location) to determine the weight of the rails.

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GrahamH


The heads of the rails appear to be 2.5 inches wide, and if on the main line would probably be 53kg/m.

The check rail gap of 2.5 inches is thus less than the BroadGauge/StandardGauge (BG/SG) third rail gap of 6.5-2.5=4.0 inches.

Small questions:
* are the check rails long welded like the running rails?
* are the joints in the check rails aligned or staggered relative to the joints in the running rails?

* Is the somewhat shiny LHS rail in the picture the running rail, while the somewhat rusty RHS rail is the checkrail?

* Are the two rails of the same size, shape and weight?

* The shadows make the above a little difficult to tell.

A derailment type of accident occurred in IIRC Spain, not so long ago, where a foreign object got caught in the check rail or frog of a turnout.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
The heads of the rails appear to be 2.5 inches wide, and if on the main line would probably be 53kg/m.

The check rail gap of 2.5 inches is thus less than the BroadGauge/StandardGauge (BG/SG) third rail gap of 6.5-2.5=4.0 inches.

Small questions:
* are the check rails long welded like the running rails?
* are the joints in the check rails aligned or staggered relative to the joints in the running rails?

* Is the somewhat shiny LHS rail in the picture the running rail, while the somewhat rusty RHS rail is the checkrail?

* Are the two rails of the same size, shape and weight?

* The shadows make the above a little difficult to tell.

A derailment type of accident occurred in IIRC Spain, not so long ago, where a foreign object got caught in the check rail or frog of a turnout.
awsgc24

You are correct, the left rail in the running rail. The lower part of the rails and the sleepers are buried in the fine gravel so I couldn't see the weight. I'll have to find another LC to check but they appear to be the same weight.

This is the line from Toowoomba to Warwick, where it crosses the main shopping street in the Tmba CBD. The few trains I've seen here were travelling ~ 10 - 20 Kmh

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