disused Geelong area rail use for suburban trains

 
  wxtre Chief Train Controller

South Geelong to Drysdale then to Queenscliff at a later date.. Geelong needs to reinstall its transport system that has been neglected and closed. To modernize Geelong, it is sad to see dormant railway lines that could be used to improve Geelong and make it a better place. Grovedale Station is one example.

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  wxtre Chief Train Controller

The train lines for Geelong would be:

Lara Line
Bannockburn Line
Fyansford Line
Waurn Ponds Line
Queenscliff Line


Extra lines would be a light rail service to Cunningham Pier
A Torquay Line and Inverleigh line in the future. And Avalon Airport line
  chonnaigh Station Master

Location: Vic
The Drysdale re-build was looked at years ago when Louise Asher was Minister- (photos were in Geelong  Advertiser and I was there at the time) The plan was the rail line plus the bike track next to it behind a VERY long fence! As everyone started making demands, eg VicRoads/RTA demanded no level crossings, the local Greenies wanted underpasses for wildlife or something etc. The costs escalated so high that the plans quietly vanished. The only thing that came out of that was the bike path. The Bellarine Railway was at one stage looked at to provide a heritage railmotor service that could travel at 80-90km/h and carry 'commuters' aswell. This was to complement the ;waterfront' project in Geelong. I cant recall how the BR trains would have reached Geelong- dual gauge I guess. A silly plan that was doomed to fail- but of course looked sexy for the Pollies at the time. That said, apparently if any rail service returns to the Geelong- Drysdale section, the Drysdale terminal would be at Jetty Rd, some 1.5 km's west of the current station. This area is currently seeing some big housing estates going in, so maybe in 30 years.....  


The train lines for Geelong would be:

Lara Line
Bannockburn Line
Fyansford Line
Waurn Ponds Line
Queenscliff Line


Extra lines would be a light rail service to Cunningham Pier
A Torquay Line and Inverleigh line in the future. And Avalon Airport line
wxtre
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
The train lines for Geelong would be:
wxtre

Yeah, nah. Try actually providing some justifications - your post is basically just spam.

If I was a moderator I would delete this thread, give you a final warning, and direct you to put all unjustified ideas in the Fantasy Foam thread (which I wish I could find). Posts like this continue dragging the quality of the forum down even further. The moderators here are far too forgiving, and without the presence of Ninthnotch/Sir Thomas Bent to crush any rubbish posting, the site has gone downhill.
  wxtre Chief Train Controller

They are the existing and disused railway lines in Geelong. They will be future rail-lines in Geelong, where do you believe they will build the train-lines. Why dont you look at the map and see the existing train corridors.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

They are the existing and disused railway lines in Geelong. They will be future rail-lines in Geelong, where do you believe they will build the train-lines. Why dont you look at the map and see the existing train corridors.
wxtre

I do not see why Geelong a city of 200,00 is entitled to a redevelopment of disused lines when vast swathes a Melbourne (4 million) does not even have a decent bus service. Improve the MELBOURNE existing rail Infrastructure first.

Michael
  wxtre Chief Train Controller

Eventually the train-line will be electrified to Geelong according to a transport report. Also to decentralize, it is good to develop Geelong as Melbourne cannot cope with the population growth. Victoria needs to develop larger regional cities but they also need to have the infrastructure so they are a desirable place to live.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Eventually the train-line will be electrified to Geelong according to a transport report. Also to decentralize, it is good to develop Geelong as Melbourne cannot cope with the population growth. Victoria needs to develop larger regional cities but they also need to have the infrastructure so they are a desirable place to live.
wxtre

Decentralising is not going to work unless Jobs are there. The Previous Govt tried it, didnt work. Look at the UK. All the jobs are being created in London. Big companies want their offices in Capital or very large cities, and in Victoria that means Melbourne. Most jobs are provided for by the Private Sector. You cannot force people to live in Regional cities so that means improving Melbourne's infrastructure.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
They are the existing and disused railway lines in Geelong. They will be future rail-lines in Geelong, where do you believe they will build the train-lines. Why dont you look at the map and see the existing train corridors.
wxtre

So all you have is, They were there so we must rebuild them!11

None of these railways are suitable for passenger operations, suggesting the Fyansford line alone is pure insanity.

Geelong has no need whatsoever for local rail services - it is far to small to support them, and no real alignments exist.
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
So all you have is, They were there so we must rebuild them!11

None of these railways are suitable for passenger operations, suggesting the Fyansford line alone is pure insanity.

Geelong has no need whatsoever for local rail services - it is far to small to support them, and no real alignments exist.
ZH836301

I have used trains purely in the Geelong transit area, but not too many do.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Decentralising is not going to work unless Jobs are there. The Previous Govt tried it, didnt work. Look at the UK. All the jobs are being created in London. Big companies want their offices in Capital or very large cities, and in Victoria that means Melbourne. Most jobs are provided for by the Private Sector. You cannot force people to live in Regional cities so that means improving Melbourne's infrastructure.
"mejhammers1"


Not quite true - in the UK there is a substantial amount of decentralised government and business offices in regional cities.
I worked in London for a couple of years and used to get correspondence from billing entities and goverment agencies located around the country. Commercial rents are far cheaper outside capital cities, which is why we now have decentralised government and private sector presences in regional cities like Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo and the Latrobe Valley. The Australian Securities & Investments Commission has had its national information processing centre in Traralgon for 20 years. In the Latrobe Valley, the availability of frequent train train services and duplicated freeway to Melbourne is seen as a major competitive advantage. There is little point having workers in Collins St doing administrative work in high cost locations that can be performed just as well in regional cities using high standard electronic communications.
  Chidda Bang Locomotive Driver

Location: Banned
The train lines for Geelong would be:

Lara Line
Bannockburn Line
Fyansford Line
Waurn Ponds Line
Queenscliff Line


Extra lines would be a light rail service to Cunningham Pier
A Torquay Line and Inverleigh line in the future. And Avalon Airport line
wxtre

For Fyansford line there should be stations at

Fyansford (end of line)
Herne Hill (Church rd)
Bell Park (RSL village)

3-car Comeng trains would run the service 20 minutely Fyansford to Geelong stopping all stations this bit of line electrified so Geelong suburban trains run on it

Peak hour some diesel trains should run too to fyansford the waurn ponds train can go express Wyndham vale to lara to north geelong the fyansford train will stop at

Fyansford
Herne Hill
Bell Park
North shore
Corio
Lara
Little river
Wyndham vale
Tarneit
Deer park
Ardeer
Sunshine
Footscray
Southern cross
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Seriously, you need to just stop. This has just gone from simply asking a stupid question, to fully fledged frothing at the mouth. All you are doing now is showing your immaturity. If you must continue, I suggest you try the armchair operators section of the forum.
  wxtre Chief Train Controller

Fyansford to Geelong stopping all stations this bit of line electrified so Geelong suburban trains run on it

They could run a service from Fyansford to Drysdale.


Fyansford (end of line)

Fyansford could be extended. It could cross here at McCurdy road.



  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Hi Chidda and wxtre.

The question is how many people would want to go from Fyansford to North Geelong? To go further and head to Geelong station by rail by this rather indirect route, the distance would be at least twice as far as the direct route by road. So any train journey from Fyansford to Geelong would take much longer than it currently does by bus.

Surely even the most enthusiastic train buff would acknowledge that there has to be at least a slight economic case to build a line? For this line it's not a case of "build it and they will come", because very few people would ever want to catch a train from Fyansford to North Geelong.
  Chidda Bang Locomotive Driver

Location: Banned
Theres gonna be a bit of track at north geelong so the fyansford train can go into southern cross too so people will use it to go to melbourne

Pppl will still use it to go to geelong because of the comeng factor people will use a service if it has Comengs. On glen waverley line they got rid of most of the comengs Sad but they still have to keep some comengs because they know ppl will catch the train if they know it could be a comeng Smile
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Pppl will still use it to go to geelong because of the comeng factor people will use a service if it has Comengs. On glen waverley line they got rid of most of the comengs Sad but they still have to keep some comengs because they know ppl will catch the train if they know it could be a comeng Smile
Chidda Bang

People will not use a service because of the train type. It has been mentioned before that most people do not care about what type of train they are on, they only care about getting from A to B.

Also, I advise you to read the rules about chat speak, that's sure to grab the attention of the moderators.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
I can't believe this is still going.

From the picture posted above, surely the bitumen over the rails say a lot.
If any of this was viable, it would be done.  Some of the rail lines listed, the track is long removed, with little chance of it returning.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Agreed.  

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