Canberra branch line safe working

 
  Steve82 Junior Train Controller

G'day everyone.

What is the safe working system used for the Canberra branch line? I was under the impression it was electric staff but I am sure that it has changed to CTC with John Holland.

Cheers

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  Throughwestmail Train Controller

G'day everyone.

What is the safe working system used for the Canberra branch line? I was under the impression it was electric staff but I am sure that it has changed to CTC with John Holland.

Cheers
Steve82

T O W to Canberra then Yard Working
  Bethungra Train Controller

T O W to Canberra then Yard Working
Throughwestmail

Would you please explain what TOW is?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Train Order Working
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
The line was electric staff for a long time with the sections being:

Joppa Junction - Tarago
Tarago - Bungendore
Bungendore - Queanbeyan
Queanbeyan - Canberra

Ordinary Train Staff and Ticket working was introduced on the sections Joppa Junction - Tarago (I believe white staff?), Bungendore - Queanbeyan (green staff), and Queanbeyan - Canberra (I believe red staff)  in preperation for the introduction of Train Order Working around 2008-2009 (I've got a picture of the safe notice that was hanging in the signal box at Bungendore that advised of the changeover to Staff and Ticket working, just can't remember the date) . For some reason electric staff working remained between Tarago and Bungendore.

AFAIK In August - September 2012 all Ordinary Staff and Ticket and electric staff working sections from Joppa Junction to Canberra were changed over to Train Order Working.

Train Order working is a system of safeworking where a train controller gives verbal commands to train drivers advising where to go from and to, where to stop, and where to cross other trains. The system is a lot more flexible then electric staff working as the train does not have to slow down or stop at every crossing loop or safeworking location to change staffs, if the section is clear, the train can just keep sailing through. It also solved the problem of copper wire being stolen from the lines that connected the staff instruments.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The line was electric staff for a long time with the sections being:

Joppa Junction - Tarago
Tarago - Bungendore
Bungendore - Queanbeyan
Queanbeyan - Canberra

Ordinary Train Staff and Ticket working was introduced on the sections Joppa Junction - Tarago (I believe white staff?), Bungendore - Queanbeyan (green staff), and Queanbeyan - Canberra (I believe red staff) in preperation for the introduction of Train Order Working around 2008-2009 (I've got a picture of the safe notice that was hanging in the signal box at Bungendore that advised of the changeover to Staff and Ticket working, just can't remember the date) . For some reason electric staff working remained between Tarago and Bungendore.

AFAIK In August - September 2012 all Ordinary Staff and Ticket and electric staff working sections from Joppa Junction to Canberra were changed over to Train Order Working.

Train Order working is a system of safeworking where a train controller gives verbal commands to train drivers advising where to go from and to, where to stop, and where to cross other trains. The system is a lot more flexible then electric staff working as the train does not have to slow down or stop at every crossing loop or safeworking location to change staffs, if the section is clear, the train can just keep sailing through. It also solved the problem of copper wire being stolen from the lines that connected the staff instruments.
steve_w_1990

It is sort of verbal: The actual authority to enter the section remains:

A) Verbal permission from the train controller
B) A completed and correct train order compiled by the train crew from the information provided by train control.

I understand that ARTC still use paper train orders, for NSW but I am also under the impression that John Holland (Who control that line) are moving to an electronic train order system using the ICE radio system. So there may indeed be no paper copy left anymore.

Does anyone have up to date info if electronic train orders have now replaced paper on John Holland territory?
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
Still paper orders.

The section Bungendore-Tarago remained electric staff to make the working of Crisps Creek easier.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
This then may be a pic of the Electric Staff Instrument at Bungendore in it's final days of operation. Pic dates from late 2008.

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/Bombala%20line/Bungendore/IMG_0740_zpssrmqmqeg.jpg[/img]
  stopblock Junior Train Controller

Location: Planet Earth
I used to go to Canberra a lot during school holidays to visit family and the Canberra Monaro Express was my travel choice (of course it would have been). [On what I now know as 900 Class DEB sets]
I remember extended stops at a lonely place called "Springfield Hill" (because we always stopped there).
From memory it had a proper signal box.

On one particular trip I sat next to an older gent from England and his comment was something along the line of;
"Why does this train stop at every 'dog box'".

Of course a 14 year old kid on school holidays was hardly likely to know the correct reason.....

Just a piece of history from my past...

Where did this piece of infrastructure sit in relation to the OP's question.
Answers anyone???
  stopblock Junior Train Controller

Location: Planet Earth
I forgot to add that the period in question was my early teens (mid to late 1960's).
  georges Chief Train Controller

Springfield Loop, now closed, was between Komungla and Inveralochy, both also closed. See http://www.nswrail.net/locations/show.php?name=NSW:Springfield&line=NSW:bombala:0
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Still paper orders.

The section Bungendore-Tarago remained electric staff to make the working of Crisps Creek easier.
Fireman Dave

Crisp Creek?
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
Yes, I remember the peg pulling at all the present stops and also Farrar, I think. sometimes picking up a staff from a signalman on duty and other times stopping and working the ES machine.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Crisps Creek is the siding where the garbage trains from Sydney go AFAIK.

At Goulbourn Roundhouse Museum, there is a signalling diagram from Springfield, when it had a passing loop.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Crisp Creek?
BenGibbons
The location where the garbage train offloads it's containers.

Satellite view and NSWRail.net's description.
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
Crisps Creek is (as mentioned above) where the garbage train is unloaded. It's in the former Tarago-Bungendore section just around the corner a couple of kms from Tarago.

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