Gippsland Line to be cut again

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

But it is a Country party seat and if they are getting the numbers i would see Labour as a better chance of getting one built. This is politics and a way of life.
gomer



It may well be a Nat seat at present, but it hasn't always been that way.

The seat was formerly Independent, held by Craig Ingram and was only lost to Mr Ingram in 2010 on the strength of the National Farmers Association who ran a strong campaign to return cattle grazing to the High Country.

Mike.

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

A few weeks ago a tender was advertised in the Sun for a new rail bridge over the Morwell river.
The way i see it Vline would either build a new alignment or close the track to build this new bridge but with this new announcement i think the choice has been made.
Regarding Stratford bridge a test was done a few months ago with a V/locity. It passed the test with a 15k restriction which i believe means they will not build a new bridge but just maintain it. All we can hope for is a massive flood to wash it down the river but if the Libs are in power, Sale will be the last stop. Two more Armco culverts east of Traralgon are also causing concern with 30k restrictions placed lately. Another similar culvert at Colac has caused problems in the past.
gomer

1. The ARMCO culverts forming the existing bridge over the Morwell River has reached the end of its serviceable life . The tender to replace it with a multispan conventioanl re-inforced concrete bridge was called in anticipation of doing the work in December this year.  Obviously under very regular inspection under a severe SR the existing structure is now deemed in need of immediate replacement .

2. The recent test run with VLocity sets over the Avon River at Stratford had nothing to do with testing the structural integrity of that bridge, as an N class loco with a 21tonne axle load is much heavier than a V/Locity .  The V/Locity test was to test clearances with the trough beams on that bridge to gauge if it possible to ever run V/Locity sets to Bairnsdale if ever required .
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

A tender was put out recently for demolition of existing and costruction of a new bridge over the Latrobe River Over or Out flow near Rosedale.

This bridge is between Stratford and Sale over what is called the Latrobe River Overflow.  The existing bridge is made of a long low wooden trestles as approach spans and steel spans over the actual river overflow stream .  At one stage PTC Engineers developed a scheme to replace the trestles with inverted U  concrete culverts with decking, and new bridge spans over the overflow using surplus bridge beams ex the Hume Wier Tallangatta line bridge, stored at Bandiana .






Nightfire
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
It may well be a Nat seat at present, but it hasn't always been that way.

The seat was formerly Independent, held by Craig Ingram and was only lost to Mr Ingram in 2010 on the strength of the National Farmers Association who ran a strong campaign to return cattle grazing to the High Country.

Mike.
The Vinelander

Craig Ingram was a strong supporter of the Bairnsdale pass return. He was also a regular user of the train after its return in 2004.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
I wonder what Sir Harold Clapp would have made of this matter? I think the former VR would have devised a plan to keep the trains running.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I don't get it, the lines closed for a few weeks to replace a bridge between Morwell and Moe, and now all of you panic merchants are talking about the line between Sale and Bairnsdale being closed due to some non existant problem with a different bridge? Sounds like paranoid lunacy to me.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Craig Ingram was a strong supporter of the Bairnsdale pass return. He was also a regular user of the train after its return in 2004.
gippslander


Couldn't agree more. However after the train was returned to Bairnsdale, thanks to Mr Ingram it was never going to be lost again.

The locals went on to bigger fish to fry....in their minds anyway; high country cattle grazing.

Mike.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
are patronage figures to and from bairnsdale via train still strong after the initial return? i understand people may be getting a little sick of the service cancellations. there are been long periods when services were not running.

i have also heard the bridge may also be upgraded for an expended freight task originating at bairnsdale.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
are patronage figures to and from bairnsdale via train still strong after the initial return? i understand people may be getting a little sick of the service cancellations. there are been long periods when services were not running.

i have also heard the bridge may also be upgraded for an expended freight task originating at bairnsdale.
JimYarin

Well if I remember right the Gippsland line in general had the largest patronage increases post RFR...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Couldn't agree more. However after the train was returned to Bairnsdale, thanks to Mr Ingram it was never going to be lost again.

The locals went on to bigger fish to fry....in their minds anyway; high country cattle grazing.

Mike.
The Vinelander

The situation of being allowed to graze in State parks for a pin rent was ridiculous; it ridiculously favoured the lease-holders with extremely generous terms and it had to end. I was really annoyed when our current Liberal government went to the extent of spending big $$$ to try and over-turn environmental reports about the damage that 1 ton cloven-hoofed animals were doing to the high country for the sake of protecting the exclusive rights of a privileged minority.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
are patronage figures to and from bairnsdale via train still strong after the initial return? i understand people may be getting a little sick of the service cancellations. there are been long periods when services were not running.

i have also heard the bridge may also be upgraded for an expended freight task originating at bairnsdale.
JimYarin

now living in more in the big smoke, its been a couple of years since i've seen first hand the patronage on the bairnsdale line. When i was watching it, it was not unusual for standing room only by trarlgon on a 4 or 5 car N set. would hate to know how bad it got when they where running 3 car sets for a while.

as for the freight job, there's been talk for probably 10 years or more of more freight out of bairnsdale on rail. Main reson i understood the logs stoped was not so much a supply shortage, but a cost basis. reports at the time had the metro infrustructre operator placing all sorts of barriers, and limitation on paths through the network, as well as costs like a late night charge, making it more expensive to go through the city on the only paths they would make available.

Would be good to see. wont happen.
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
Vline website says that while the works are taking place, travel on the line will be free! I'm not sure just what that means. After all, services to Moe will be pretty much normal, so is the free travel just for east of Moe, or will all services beyond Pakenham be free? Very Happy


Also I guess that the Maryvale goods will have to go to road. Lets just hope that the road operator doesn't provide an unrealistically low rate and then say to the management at Maryvale "Look how much cheaper we are than rail. Why don't you just stay with us?" Sad
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

More likely scenario is that Maryvale has contract with rail operator. Train cannot run so rail operator cannot run train so he is responsible for arranging replacement road transport and costs associated.  Also likely freight operator could be seeking compensation from Victrack/VLP in that track access not available for 6 weeks.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
More likely scenario is that Maryvale has contract with rail operator. Train cannot run so rail operator cannot run train so he is responsible for arranging replacement road transport and costs associated. Also likely freight operator could be seeking compensation from Victrack/VLP in that track access not available for 6 weeks.
kuldalai

Contract is tendered to QUBE.

QUBE also run trucks if need be.

The paper mill, if having the choice of trucks or train will go for train, since that way it's less trucks through the weighbridge needing manned gates.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
V/Line will be paying through the nose for replacement buses.

QUBE would sure be able to seek compo.

One has to ask will Morwell and Traralgon people demand that they have a train service between their two towns ?
Are there any railcars stuck at Traralgon ?
The Bairnsdale train must be East of the Morwell River ! Any reason why It can't turn back at Morwell ?
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Through running of trains commences on Monday, according to V/Line & the Gippsland ABC.
Photos in tonight's local paper show the new concrete beam in place, so it will presumably be a busy few days getting
the track reinstated.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
From this news piece the repairs look to be progressing nicely.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-repairs-tracking-well
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Contract is tendered to QUBE.

QUBE also run trucks if need be.

The paper mill, if having the choice of trucks or train will go for train, since that way it's less trucks through the weighbridge needing manned gates.
speedemon08

Yes that's right CUBE Do have trucks and containers so they will be trucked
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Ah, so this is why I've been failing to see the Maryvale freight each time I've recently tried to see it. Seen foxes and possums, no trains.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Yes that's right CUBE Do have trucks and containers so they will be trucked
X'Trapolis-904M

* It's QUBE not CUBE, and being pedantic, they are being trucked
  Markbrow10 Station Staff

Location: Moe, Victoria
V/Line will be paying through the nose for replacement buses.

QUBE would sure be able to seek compo.

One has to ask will Morwell and Traralgon people demand that they have a train service between their two towns ?
Are there any railcars stuck at Traralgon ?
The Bairnsdale train must be East of the Morwell River ! Any reason why It can't turn back at Morwell ?
Nightfire

There is a Vlocity (or two) and a N-Class loco with passenger cars parked on one of the spare lines at warragul station,

On the way to work on Wednesday I saw the bridge beam/s on their transporter/s at a truck rest stop just beyond the yallourn on/off ramp.

Thanks

Mark
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Ah, so this is why I've not been failing to see the Maryvale freight each time I've recently tried to see it. Seen foxes and possums, no trains.
"ARodH"

If you've NOT been FAILING to see it, then you have done remarkably well, considering it has not been running.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Isn't it amazing how an election in the offing can speed things up?
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
If you've NOT been FAILING to see it, then you have done remarkably well, considering it has not been running.
duttonbay


I've now rephrased my post. I've only seen it once and found it looked and sounded quite spectacular at night running through the cutting leading to Malvern. Just didn't have a camera handy.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Election sure. Won't be enough to save Napthine.

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