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      62430 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Metro Adelaide
    I havent seen 4002 at all yet but 4011 has gone into passenger service.
    Milkomeda

    Happened to be at Ascot Pk this afternoon and hurriedly took the shot below when 4011 worked the 17.03 from ARS.

    Another daytime diagram has now become electric leaving only 2 out of 9 worked by DEMU.

    An unusual sighting today was that 4001 worked empty from Seaford to City and passed Ascot Pk at 18.10 closely following the 17.36 from Seaford.  

    Alex C

    Posted: 29 Oct 2014 22:30

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      Smacks Station Master

    http://messenger.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

    In the southern times messenger newspaper . Page 9 . The link does have a zoom on the page

    The new trains are getting new horns . At a cost of $ 66,000 .

    It seems that some people don't like trains using the horns for safety reasons .

    It's amazing what a couple of whingers can do .
    BIG-BEAR

    Ridiculous. I wonder what would classify as a being used only when there is a "safety issue". The horn blow when departing a station and crossing a lx needs to stay. If the whingers cant deal with the horns as is they should move or pay for the replacement horns the current ones really are not that bad. Unlike some of the poxbox ones that sound like someone shoved a dead cat into them.

    side note: Surprisingly the messenger has a very good online viewing system.
    Posted: 30 Oct 2014 23:48
      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    The horns don't need to be heard so clearly so far away from the railway line though, there are probably other more effective tactics for a public transport PR campaign.

    If DPTI had done the EMU procurement properly (i.e. with a specification and competitive tender) the companies bidding could have been made to bring their proposed horns to Adelaide and jury-rig them up on a DEMU for a test run to verify they were appropriate for use in an urban environment.

    $66,000 is not much money, DPTI could easily pay for it out of the money saved by their refusal to do routine track maintenance
    Posted: 31 Oct 2014 02:10
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Justapax. The horns here a no different to those used on other commuter systems.

    If there is a problem in Adelaide it is the number of level crossing for road and pedestrian use.

    Could a driver here could advise what horn tone and sound level options are provided at present on the 4000 EMUs.

    For those who don't agree with the article Mr M De Ritter lives at 2 Cedar Avenue Brighton and his phone number is  8358 3806.

    Perhaps you could ring him and discuss the matter, don't expect rational discussion.

    Better, delay the call until late at night, then respond to his answer with a horn blast.
    Posted: 31 Oct 2014 09:13
      62430 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Metro Adelaide
    Could part of the horn issue be the placement of the horns?  Am I right in thinking that the 3000 horns are located below the couplers about 1m above the track whereas the 4000 are effectively at roof level?  

    Other than the horns there is little audible warning of the 4000s approaching.  Most of the noise is the fairly subtle rail singing..

    Alex C
    Posted: 31 Oct 2014 10:59
      62430 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Metro Adelaide
    Several observations from today.  A photo of 4005 taken today at Seaford shows it only has one horn at each end in contrast to the other units which have twin horns.  I can confirm the 3000s have twin horns in a housing below the coupler.

    At Seaford Depot at lunchtime 4002 was sitting in the South Yard in the west shed road.  4012T was no longer in the unloading road but a red nose was visible at the N end of the east road within the shed so I assume that at least 4012A has now been delivered.

    Alex C

    Posted: 31 Oct 2014 20:58
      Smacks Station Master

    I did notice that some of the 4000's have two horns at each end vs one. Does anyone know why or is it just from being manufactured at different times?
    Posted: 31 Oct 2014 22:51
      62430 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Metro Adelaide
    I did notice that some of the 4000's have two horns at each end vs one. Does anyone know why or is it just from being manufactured at different times?
    Smacks

    I've looked through my photo collection and have discovered that when delivered up to about 4008 the horns were recessed with twin openings above the windscreen.  About the middle of this year 4005 had a visit to Dry Creek when its A car received a new windscreen and at the same time one protruding horn.  4003-4007 then received a single protruding horn at each end. 4006, 4001 (since its prolonged visit to Dry Creek) and 4008-4011 now have twin protruding horns.  I have no recent photos of 4002.

    So the question is, are the protruding horns the replacement horns recently announced?

    I will have to listen carefully to passing emus.

    Alex C
    Posted: 01 Nov 2014 01:33
      PaulSurguy Station Master

    Hi Guys 7 EMUs at the Seaford depot at 1.05pm 6 EMUs on the western track and 1 EMU on the track between the big shed and western track no DMUs  on site Paul
    Posted: 01 Nov 2014 14:03
      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    No special events on today, so that would suggest all four services are being covered by EMUs - possibly the first time a full EMU service has operated in Adelaide?

    The depot at Dry Creek must be chockers with the emasculated Outer Harbor service this weekend, you would have thought they'd leave a few DEMUs sitting around at Seaford Meadows just to make things convenient out north.
    Posted: 01 Nov 2014 14:25

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      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    No special events on today, so that would suggest all four services are being covered by EMUs - possibly the first time a full EMU service has operated in Adelaide?

    The depot at Dry Creek must be chockers with the emasculated Outer Harbor service this weekend, you would have thought they'd leave a few DEMUs sitting around at Seaford Meadows just to make things convenient out north.
    justapassenger

    Errrr Seaford Meadows is in a southerly direction from Adelaide ,if you want North try Gawler etc! Trains do not run from Seaford directly to Gawler!
    Posted: 01 Nov 2014 23:49
      Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    Errrr Seaford Meadows is in a southerly direction from Adelaide ,if you want North try Gawler etc! Trains do not run from Seaford directly to Gawler!
    "David Peters"
    JAP knows where Seaford Meadows is, I seem to recall it was you that had some geographical challenges about the area, and now I see you've neatly missed the point he was making...
    Posted: 02 Nov 2014 00:54
      Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

    No special events on today, so that would suggest all four services are being covered by EMUs - possibly the first time a full EMU service has operated in Adelaide?

    The depot at Dry Creek must be chockers with the emasculated Outer Harbor service this weekend, you would have thought they'd leave a few DEMUs sitting around at Seaford Meadows just to make things convenient out north.
    justapassenger


    Well...

    Until all Dry Creek and Gawler drivers are trained for EMUs there will be 1 DEMU on the Seaford Line for weekend service. Also no EMUs this weekend due to overhead work required
    Posted: 02 Nov 2014 08:00
      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    There were 9 EMUs in the depot yesterday afternoon when I went past on a end-to-end trip, and none operating.

    There is a massive mud hole just north of the depot (that's on the city side, David) on the approach to the bridge over the Onkaparinga, bad enough that it caused one of the other bikes on board to tip over even though it was in the more stable upside down position resting on the seat and handlebars. I didn't have a problem, I was holding it the whole way because I already knew about the third world track quality.
    Posted: 03 Nov 2014 06:22
      1S47 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: On the Down Fast
    Just wondering, whatever happened to the couple of yellow PW maintenance machines that used to sit in the fenced compound at the country end of the North Yard (before rebuilding)?

    Have these now relocated to somewhere in Dry Creek depot?

    Or have they been disposed of, with the thinking "we have concrete sleepers now. No more maintenance is needed"?
    Posted: 04 Nov 2014 13:06

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      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    Well...

    Also no EMUs this weekend due to overhead work required
    Milkomeda

    There were 9 EMUs in the depot yesterday afternoon when I went past on a end-to-end trip, and none operating.
    justapassenger

    Captain Obvious on the warpath.
    Posted: 04 Nov 2014 14:42
      62430 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Metro Adelaide
    Captain Obvious on the warpath.
    bingley hall

    jap's report could be taken as meaning "There were 9 non-operating emus in the depot" or as "9 emus in the depot and 0 emus out in service".  

    Alex C
    Posted: 04 Nov 2014 19:35
      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    "9 emus in the depot and 0 emus out in service".  
    "62430"

    Correct.

    Which (I know bingo will find this hard, having only ten fingers to count on) means there were two of the eleven units unaccounted for by that count as there were none out on the line or in a platform at Adelaide - were two at Dry Creek for servicing over the weekend?
    Posted: 04 Nov 2014 20:57

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      62430 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Metro Adelaide
    Correct.

    Which (I know bingo will find this hard, having only ten fingers to count on) means there were two of the eleven units unaccounted for by that count as there were none out on the line or in a platform at Adelaide - were two at Dry Creek for servicing over the weekend?
    justapassenger

    From what I saw on Friday I would suggest that 4012 and 4002 would be in the shed, which would leave one unaccounted for (at Dry Creek?)

    Alex C
    Posted: 04 Nov 2014 21:18

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      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Saw 4008 tonight doing an empty down movement, though Emerson at about 9:45.

    Anybody who knows know why this movement.

    Ian
    Posted: 04 Nov 2014 23:36
      nm39 Chief Commissioner

    Location: By a road taking pictures
    Saw 4008 tonight doing an empty down movement, though Emerson at about 9:45.

    Anybody who knows know why this movement.

    Ian
    steam4ian

    Apparently 4005 and 4008 were both at Dry Creek earlier today. This would be 4008 returning to Seaford after being towed to Adelaide.
    Posted: 05 Nov 2014 01:18
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Is there any 25kV overhead in Dry Creek yard or how are the EMUs livened up for testing, traction, lighting, air-conditioning, brakes etc?

    Ian
    Posted: 05 Nov 2014 08:30
      justapassenger Minister for Railways

    Is there any 25kV overhead in Dry Creek yard or how are the EMUs livened up for testing, traction, lighting, air-conditioning, brakes etc?
    "steam4ian"

    I don't know if there is, but the only thing you'd absolutely need a 25kV source for would be the transformer. Everything else could be done using lower voltage DC (traction) and AC (onboard systems) shore supplies.
    Posted: 05 Nov 2014 17:34
      don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Adelaide proud
    I wonder is there a port on a 4000 set for that purpose?
    Posted: 05 Nov 2014 17:45
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    JAP knows where Seaford Meadows is, I seem to recall it was you that had some geographical challenges about the area, and now I see you've neatly missed the point he was making...
    Aaron

    He might know, as you do, but someone from interstate or overseas would not Aaron think about things like this before mouthing off.

    They will not use any extra DMUs out North than they do now otherwise they would need a new timetable and that is asking for a miracle in the first place. They will not run three car or more sets unless they absolutely have to anyone would tell you this. Pageant day and something on in Adelaide itself maybe but other wise just standard consists.
    Posted: 07 Nov 2014 20:40

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