Pride Train to Shepparton - this weekend

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Consist for tomorrow's train is S313-T364 leading PCP292, Goulburn, SJ282, SJ284, 8AS, Moorabool, Hobsons Bay, 708, 9BRS, LAN2354 ( Ex Southern Aurora), Indi, Werribee, 18CE, Coliban

Train will run to Westall to run around after passing SCS Platform 13. Departing SCS at 05:32 arriving Westall at 06:02. Departs Westall 06:30 back to SCS platform 07:05 arriving platform 14.

The train will run via Essendon.

There is no truth to the rumours the locos have been painted pink.  

Please keep this thread clean.  Re-opened for the trip.

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  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
did not know anything about this trip until last night when there was a caller into theOldies radio station Shocked
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I do wish the train trip well, unfortunately I do sometimes suffer from 'no comment'. (ie. fear of the same) However this trip sounds like something different and interesting and I give it my whole hearted support. ( until I get bored by it )
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Doesn't mean that there won't be some rainbow bunting though.

I've some questions. Why does it have to go to Westall to enable the engines to change ends? Have they removed that facility from SCS?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Probably due to the length of the train. With 13 carriages, a power van and 2 locomotives, their probably isn't enough room to fit the entire train into a platform and also run around. From memory, the only platform that will accomodate a train of that length and still have space for a locomotive run around at Southern Cross would be Platform 2, which would more than likely be occupied by the morning down Albury SG, and then the Overland.

As always, I am open to correction.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
unfortunately I do sometimes suffer from 'no comment'. (ie. fear of the same)
Rodo

I presume that is a cloked way of saying you're now out of the closet?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Has anyone on the route yet spotted the Pink Flyer ?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Anybody got any info regarding the return journey?
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

I haven't heard anything, but if it is running to timetable it'll be somewhere around Kilmore East about now.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Anybody got any info regarding the return journey?
Gman_86

http://www.theridetopride.com/
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The sounds from the S and T on these line would have been something not heard all that often.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Saw it stopped just south of Murchison East on Sunday afternoon. It looked like the driver and few others were looking at something under a carriage towards the rear. Maybe a hot bearing?

Rick
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Probably due to the length of the train. With 13 carriages, a power van and 2 locomotives, their probably isn't enough room to fit the entire train into a platform and also run around. From memory, the only platform that will accomodate a train of that length and still have space for a locomotive run around at Southern Cross would be Platform 2, which would more than likely be occupied by the morning down Albury SG, and then the Overland.

As always, I am open to correction.
Gman_86

Another reason trains run to Westall (or Caulfield) to change ends is so the train crew can do the examination rather than using the train exterminators at Southern Cross. (maybe cost and / or availability of Southern Cross exterminators)
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Saw it stopped just south of Murchison East on Sunday afternoon. It looked like the driver and few others were looking at something under a carriage towards the rear. Maybe a hot bearing?

Rick
RustyRick


Believe Goulburn was taken off at Seymour? due to a bad wheel.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Believe Goulburn was taken off at Seymour? due to a bad wheel.
bevans

Goulburn was taken off at Seymour due to Skidded wheels from the Handbrake.
  Bethungra Train Controller

Goulburn was taken off at Seymour due to Skidded wheels from the Handbrake.
LowndesJ515

Skidded wheels?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Skidded wheels?
Bethungra

Yes Skidded wheels, not sure how to explain that. Wheels have flats on them, bed enough to be taken off the train.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yes Skidded wheels, not sure how to explain that. Wheels have flats on them, bed enough to be taken off the train.
LowndesJ515


There is a good overall description of bogies and wheels and all things in between at: http://www.railway-technical.com/whlbog.shtml  It is well worth the read.

Basically the webpage states:

Many operators use flange or rail greasing to ease the passage of wheels on curves.  Devices can be mounted on the track or the train.  It is important to ensure that the amount of lubricant applied is exactly right.  Too much will cause the tyre to become contaminated and will lead to skidding and flatted wheels.


Not sure if this is the exact definition of a flat tyre but interesting reading none the less.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Goulburn was taken off at Seymour due to Skidded wheels from the Handbrake.
LowndesJ515

So people are still failing to check handbrakes!  It's the oldest one in the book, and one of the most easily prevented.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
There is a good overall description of bogies and wheels and all things in between at: http://www.railway-technical.com/whlbog.shtml It is well worth the read.

Basically the webpage states:



Not sure if this is the exact definition of a flat tyre but interesting reading none the less.
bevans

No. Just no.

Grease pots on curves exist purely to reduce the noise. They serve no other purpose. Steel on steel has the same friction effect as ice, that is 1/5 of the friction that a rubber tyre has on a bitumen surface.

Flat spots, skidded wheels, and related wheel damage are caused because of increased friction from between the rail head and the wheel. Wheels are made of softer steel, and designed to wear away, as opposed to the rail head as wheel are easier and cheaper to replace then rails. When the movement of the wheel is impeded (such as sticking brakes, handbrakes left on, etc etc) the wheel (or "tyre") will rub on the rail head, generating friction and an LARGE amount of heat. Left untreated, you can get flat spots that grow in size proportionally to the length of time that the wheel is allowed to exist in that condition.

The "Tyre" is sweated onto the axle, that is it is heated up, applied to the cold axle and allowed to cool. Forgoing any metal issues (such as pitting, cracking, structural issues) it is impossible for contamination to enter the tyre layer.

Grease traps and lubrication points, when they overly apply their grease only cause wheel skids when the driver applies the brakes and because of the grease layer between the rail head and the wheel skid along, as their is insufficient friction between these surfaces to allow the transfer of braking force to stop the wheel. The action of the grease trap itself does not cause skidded wheels- it is the locking of the wheel to prevent free movement that does.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Another reason trains run to Westall (or Caulfield) to change ends is so the train crew can do the examination rather than using the train exterminators at Southern Cross. (maybe cost and / or availability of Southern Cross exterminators)
Bullucked

Platforms 2 , 3, 7 and 8 would all hold a train of that length .at Southern Cross.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
... (Sorry - couldnt resist)
Calgully


Yes you should have Rolling Eyes

After all we know how stereotyped practitioners of this pastime are Wink
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
There would be many on here who would be aware of the past issues with train examiners at southern cross.

I recall a passenger vehicle being cut off a special and left in Dudley street yard allegedly due to an unfriendly train examiner.

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