Shellharbour Junction

 
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Under the previous regime, this new station on the South Coast line, which was in its initial stages known as Flinders, then latterly Shell Cove, and finally after The Geographical Names Board had stuck their oar in -not to mention the local member having a tantyette about it all, Shellharbour Junction, is due to open for "customer" busines this coming Saturday, Nov 22 (after being touted to open in April....Exclamation), after having been delayed by a week for whatever reasons.

Here are some (very insufficient) pix of the gestation, and subequent birth of the new station. If any of you have any pix that might fill the gaps, please don't hesitate to include them in this thread Very Happy

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  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Documentation has been issued advertising a Ministerial visit to the Shellharbour Junction Station, Friday November 21, from around 0900 hours.
A 4car OSCAR set will be positioned in the Loop from 0902 hours until 1020 hours.
  Piston Train Controller

So Shellharbour was changed to Dunmore/Shellharbour. Then as stated above to Flinders, then ShellCove, then Shellharbour Junction.

Where does this "Junction" go to? Locations currently on the network using the word "junction" generally indicate the splitting of a line to another direction like Woodville Junction, Islington JUnction, Illawarra Junction, Petticoat Junction.

Hopefully they don't consider the siding to the metal loader as an option for the "junction"? Its a siding, get over it. Can we rename Bombo to Bombo Junction? Has a siding doing the same thing as Shellharbour.

So if the Geographical Names Board have come up with this crazy alternative they should rethink it. Dumb choice.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Some more pictures.

The first set dates from August, when the driver of the train I was riding back to Wollongong on, pulled up at pl. #1, waiting to cross a Down train from Oak Flats. I was travelling in the 1st car, and when I realised where we were, asked if it was OK if I popped out to take a few pix, this being a rare opportunity & all.

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The second set are from today last week, taken from the back of a Down train. I've posted them in reverse order, so it appears as the view might be from the front of an Up train, just for a nice progressive sense of perspective. It remains to be seen if Up trains will always use pl. #2 when there's no need to cross trains, as it was always done at Dunmore. Since this station has full length platforms, maybe not.........


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  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Documentation has been issued advertising a Ministerial visit to the Shellharbour Junction Station, Friday November 21, from around 0900 hours.
A 4car OSCAR set will be positioned in the Loop from 0902 hours until 1020 hours.
scott4570


Telegram 303-14GM has been issued, November 20, to Cancel the 4 car OSCAR set to Shellharbour Junction.
  D4004 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney NSW
Hello everyone.
The new Shellharbour Junction is now open. (22/11/2014)

Dunmore (Shellharbour) is now closed and fenced off with signs etc currently being removed.

Heres a video of the new station Smile
(linky)

Shellharbour Junction Opening Day Vlog.

22/11/2014
  D4004 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney NSW
Hello everyone.
The new Shellharbour Junction is now open. (22/11/2014)

Dunmore (Shellharbour) is now closed and fenced off with signs etc currently being removed.

Heres a video of the new station Smile
(linky)

Shellharbour Junction Opening Day Vlog.

22/11/2014
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

Where does this "Junction" go to? Locations currently on the network using the word "junction" generally indicate the splitting of a line to another direction like
* Woodville Junction,
* Islington Junction,
* Illawarra Junction (signal box only),
* Troy Junction (now controlled from Dubbo)
* Metropolitan Colliery Junction (signal box only)
* Petticoat Junction (TV show).
Piston


Think Bondi Junction: not a rail junction but a former tram junction, perhaps.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

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wurx


Nice pics, wurx.

Since
* overhead bridges has room for two tracks
* catchpoints are actually a full turnout
Extension of loop into some kind of "passing lane" seems easy, and cheaper than Illawarra Base Tunnel(s).

Q1: How far does the safety runoff track past the "catchpoint" go; think of same at new Glenfield?

Q2: Is platform height same as Tangara floor, and how wide is Platform-Train gap?
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Hello everyone.
The new Shellharbour Junction is now open. (22/11/2014)

Dunmore (Shellharbour) is now closed and fenced off with signs etc currently being removed.

Heres a video of the new station Smile
(linky)

Shellharbour Junction Opening Day Vlog.

22/11/2014
D4004

Where be the linky? Confused
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Nice pics, wurx.

Since
* overhead bridges has room for two tracks
* catchpoints are actually a full turnout
Extension of loop into some kind of "passing lane" seems easy, and cheaper than Illawarra Base Tunnel(s).

Q1: How far does the safety runoff track past the "catchpoint" go; think of same at new Glenfield?

Q2: Is platform height same as Tangara floor, and how wide is Platform-Train gap?
awsgc24

I've been off sick the last week and so haven't had any opportunity to examine any of this first hand, but I go back tomorrow.

Q1: Not sure, but I'll have a closer look.

Q2: I'm not sure whether H-sets & T-sets are the same regards floor height from ground (but I would expect so), and since Shellharbour Jn. is a new station, I would also expect the platform height to match and be (relatively) flush with either of these trains. If so, it might be possible to entrain/detrain a wheelchair/scooter without a ramp. For example, a regular customer with a scooter who connects with the train at Oak Flats, is there able to drive his scooter on/off the train without a ramp, and that station is just over 10yrs old.

BTW Tangaras are not supposed to work to Kiama anymore, but occasionally one is snuck in......

Again, when I'm back at work and will have worked a few trains through the new station, I can observe the train floor to platform thingy, and how much platform to train gap there is.
  abesty1 Chief Commissioner
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

Since
* overhead bridges has room for two tracks
* catchpoints are actually a full turnout
Extension of loop into some kind of "passing lane" seems easy, and cheaper than Illawarra Base Tunnel(s).

Q1: How far does the safety runoff track past the "catchpoint" go; think of same at new Glenfield?

Q2: Is platform height same as Tangara floor, and how wide is Platform-Train gap?
awsgc24


Q3: Are there speedboards for the crossover, and if so, what "X" speed are they?

Q1a: Does the "catchpoint" runoff go past the overbridge, or does it go into the overbridge piers?
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Q1: How far does the safety runoff track past the "catchpoint" go; think of same at new Glenfield?

Q2: Is platform height same as Tangara floor, and how wide is Platform-Train gap?
awsgc24

Q1: Not very far, scarcely a carriagelength.

Q2: Oscar floor is about 3cm higher than platform height at most on pl. #2; maybe a cm more on pl. #1. My Oak Flats customer with the scooter wouldn't need the ramp here Smile

I don't know what the regulation platform to train gap is supposed to be, but it appears to be about 4 or more cm.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Q3: Are there speedboards for the crossover, and if so, what "X" speed are they?

Q1a: Does the "catchpoint" runoff go past the overbridge, or does it go into the overbridge piers?
awsgc24

Q3: will get back to you on that one.

Q4: The runoff stops well short of the overline bridge, which has no piers.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Q2: Oscar floor is about 3cm higher than platform height at most on pl. #2; maybe a cm more on pl. #1. My Oak Flats customer with the scooter wouldn't need the ramp here Smile

I don't know what the regulation platform to train gap is supposed to be, but it appears to be about 4 or more cm.
wurx


The new, post Airport line, standard for the Gap assumes that old single deckers (say 3140mm ?? wide) no longer run, as they are now too wide.

I think that S-sets are 3070mm wide, but don't quote me.

These details are "devil in details" and are difficult to get right or to be certain.

The Step value must of course allow for tyre wear, but whatever this is hard for a non-insider to be sure of.
Beware: millimetres matter.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney


These details are "devil in details" and are difficult to get right or to be certain.

awsgc24


Recently the French Railways (SNCF) of TGV HS fame, ordered some new trains too wide for some of their platforms.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Recently the French Railways (SNCF) of TGV HS fame, ordered some new trains too wide for some of their platforms.
awsgc24


BTW, the Shore end of platforms 1 and 2 at Hornsby have cutouts so that trains using the nearby scissors crossovers do not hit the platforms. Am not sure if these cutouts are enough for longer but narrower V-sets.

At Gosford, track centres between platforms 1 and 2 are too narrow to allow these two platforms to be used at the same time by G and T sets, and the signalling interlocking prevents this. Some of the stabling sidings have/had similar problems.

The stabling sidings at Penrith, which are converted from pre-1910 goods sidings may well have similar track centre problems. These problems are "grandfathered", but must be fixed up when the sidings are next remodelled, such as relocation to Emu Plains.

1910 is the year when a Commissions Conference adopted 10' 6" as the new max carriage width, and also 12' (3.66m) track centres. It is not clear what the old max carriage width or old track centres were.

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