QueenslandRail Travel: Service offerings and accommodation changes

 
  xplorer2501 Chief Commissioner

Location: Tuggeranong, ACT
QueenslandRail are slowly announcing their changes to offerings to the onboard product for services using M series carriages which are to be retired at years end. There are yet to be fully revealed changes to the service offerings on the Spirit of the Outback and recently revealed changes to the Inlander.

Spirit of the Outback:

Changes to service offerings announced but no official details from QueenslandRail as to what changes will be made. I am assuming that twin and single sleepers will remain along with a restaurant car and a club car with sitting carriages following behind. The difference is that they will all be L series rather than a mixed consist, has anyone heard anything to the contrary?  

http://www.queenslandrail.com.au/AboutUs/MediaCentre/MediaReleases/Pages/NewlevelsofcomfortaboardTheSpiritoftheOutback.aspx

The Inlander:

Recently announced changes will see the removal of sleeper and dining facilities on the train. Train will be sitting cars only and there are no details as to what passengers will do for food on board.

http://www.northweststar.com.au/story/2700489/sleeping-dining-cars-scrapped-on-inlander-rail-service/?cs=12

The Sunlander:

As we all know will be gone at the end of December and replaced with the Spirit of Queensland.

The Westlander:

Have not seen any articles regarding the future of this service but if the details of the Inlander are anything to go off I am guessing it will be the same result.


Whilst QR seems to have a number of L series carriages there are obviously not enough to provide even a Roomette on the Inlander (and possibly Westlander too). It is great to see the SOTO refurbished and I cannot wait to see the offerings provided to customers on board, it is a shame though to see the Inlander changed to a seat only service.

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  Bethungra Train Controller

Good Summary. See also the announced changes today to the Westlander and the Inlander.

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11379847.htm
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

We'd never consider actually "promoting" and "improving" these services by building dedicated fast railcars which could actually entice people to travel on them rather than cutting it to shreds and turning more people away would we Mr. Newman?
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
We'd never consider actually "promoting" and "improving" these services by building dedicated fast railcars which could actually entice people to travel on them rather than cutting it to shreds and turning more people away would we Mr. Newman?
Southern Aurora

You can of course become an accredited rail operator and provide the services you speak of if you think there is a need for such services... Wink
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

You can of course become an accredited rail operator and provide the services you speak of if you think there is a need for such services... Wink
Graham4405

It works well in Victoria but i guess things are done a lot differently in Queensland
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
It works well in Victoria but i guess things are done a lot differently in Queensland
Southern Aurora

I have no idea what you mean by that. What I was saying is that if something needs to be done why expect the government to do it? Do it yourself...
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
It works well in Victoria but i guess things are done a lot differently in Queensland
Southern Aurora

Size means rail operations in Victoria must be different to QLD. Brisbane to Melbourne by Boeing 737 is the same approx 2 hours as Brisbane to Cairns and somewhat similar for Brisbane Mt Isa.  Brisbane–Charleville is 777 rail kilometres http://www.queenslandrail.com.au/TradeToolbox/Products/Documents/Trains/RouteMap_Westlander.pdf
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

Distance shouldnt be the reason, the longer the distance the less people want to travel by car or bus. The Sydney-Broken Hill service is 1125 rail kilometers with not much in between the major centres, and is operated by a weekly railcar as well as the IP
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
Distance shouldnt be the reason, the longer the distance the less people want to travel by car or bus. The Sydney-Broken Hill service is 1125 rail kilometers with not much in between the major centres, and is operated by a weekly railcar as well as the IP
Southern Aurora

Beyond a certain point, the longer the distance, the less people want to travel by train.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Beyond a certain point, the longer the distance, the less people want to travel by train.
donttellmywife


Unless of course you have a rail service which entices people to do so.  There is certainly truth in the position people want to fly when the distances are such that train travel makes it inconvenient or impractical however high speed trains have changed this viewpoint and people's behaviour.
  craigfitz1 Train Controller

The QR website now has two updated fact sheets for spirit of outback trains beyond January.
One fact sheet is valid up til April, while the other one is for trips beyond next April.

They even have little diagrams showing the consist:
eg: two sleepers - then the first class diner, then club car, then two econ class sitters.
The consist beyond April is longer and has a 'composite' car included.

It confirms that the sleepers will have both single and double cabins.

links below;
http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Documents/spirit-of-the-outback/Spirit%20of%20the%20Outback%20Fact%20Sheet_JAN15.pdf

http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Documents/spirit-of-the-outback/Spirit%20of%20the%20Outback%20Fact%20Sheet_APR15.pdf


Looking forward to seeing just what catering arrangements will be in place for the 'new' Westlander trains.
  mb67 Junior Train Controller

QueenslandRail are slowly announcing their changes to offerings to the onboard product for services using M series carriages which are to be retired at years end. There are yet to be fully revealed changes to the service offerings on the Spirit of the Outback and recently revealed changes to the Inlander.

Spirit of the Outback:

Changes to service offerings announced but no official details from QueenslandRail as to what changes will be made. I am assuming that twin and single sleepers will remain along with a restaurant car and a club car with sitting carriages following behind. The difference is that they will all be L series rather than a mixed consist, has anyone heard anything to the contrary?

http://www.queenslandrail.com.au/AboutUs/MediaCentre/MediaReleases/Pages/NewlevelsofcomfortaboardTheSpiritoftheOutback.aspx

The Inlander:

Recently announced changes will see the removal of sleeper and dining facilities on the train. Train will be sitting cars only and there are no details as to what passengers will do for food on board.

http://www.northweststar.com.au/story/2700489/sleeping-dining-cars-scrapped-on-inlander-rail-service/?cs=12

The Sunlander:

As we all know will be gone at the end of December and replaced with the Spirit of Queensland.

The Westlander:

Have not seen any articles regarding the future of this service but if the details of the Inlander are anything to go off I am guessing it will be the same result.


Whilst QR seems to have a number of L series carriages there are obviously not enough to provide even a Roomette on the Inlander (and possibly Westlander too). It is great to see the SOTO refurbished and I cannot wait to see the offerings provided to customers on board, it is a shame though to see the Inlander changed to a seat only service.
xplorer2501


Sunlander:

  • Will be retired from a loco hauled service.

  • Will be replaced with Diesel Tilt Train services.

  • Will have increased services per week.

  • Proposed plans are to re-introduce private cabins with new consists



Spirit of the Outback:

  • Will continue as normal, albeit reduced carriages



Westlander:

  • Sitting cars only from 2015



Inlander:

  • Sitting cars only from 2015



Better information is available for each service from the Queensland Rail Travel website at: http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Pages/OurTrains.aspx

Check each service for the updates as of certain dates.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
SOTO, is it reduced cars or simply reduced pool of cars to select from? I haven't seen this train for four years but even back then it was about half the length it used to be.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
SOTO, is it reduced cars or simply reduced pool of cars to select from? I haven't seen this train for four years but even back then it was about half the length it used to be.
RTT_Rules

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1955448.htm#1955448
  xplorer2501 Chief Commissioner

Location: Tuggeranong, ACT
Another update from Queensland Rail regarding the Spirit of the Outback. From 3rd January there will be no lounge, club or composite car onboard only a dining car, two sleepers, two sitters plus the staff and baggage carriages. The beyond April factsheet is now missing from their website.

http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Documents/spirit-of-the-outback/SOB%20Fact%20Sheet_JAN14-15.pdf
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Another update from Queensland Rail regarding the Spirit of the Outback. From 3rd January there will be no lounge, club or composite car onboard only a dining car, two sleepers, two sitters plus the staff and baggage carriages. The beyond April factsheet is now missing from their website.

http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Documents/spirit-of-the-outback/SOB%20Fact%20Sheet_JAN14-15.pdf

xplorer2501


My guess is that the L car refurbishment is behind schedule.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
My guess is that the L car refurbishment is behind schedule.
Graham4405


Also my guess is in the relentless heat of Summer there aren't too many tourists venturing west, therefore the car refurb doesn't matter if it's not complete until the start of the tourist season around Easter.

Mike.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Also my guess is in the relentless heat of Summer there aren't too many tourists venturing west, therefore the car refurb doesn't matter if it's not complete until the start of the tourist season around Easter.

Mike.
The Vinelander

Which relates to the beyond April bit that has disappeared, which is what I was referring too...
  xplorer2501 Chief Commissioner

Location: Tuggeranong, ACT
Factsheets have now been added with updated information for the Spirit of the Outback, Westlander and Inlander.

Spirit of the Outback will become a 9 carriage consist on the 13th April with the addition of a composite first class lounge car/economy service car and an extra sleeping car added.

http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Documents/spirit-of-the-outback/SOB%20Fact%20Sheet_APR14-15.pdf

From the 3rd January the Inlander and Westlander will both change to a 4 car consist featuring a Power, Staff and two sitting cars. Both state that onboard snack boxes will be provided to passengers at specific times throughout the journey and that self serve tea, coffee and water facilities are available.

http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Documents/the-inlander/inlander%20Fact%20Sheet_JAN14-15.pdf

http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Documents/the-westlander/Westlander%20Fact%20Sheet_JAN14-15.pdf
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
From the 3rd January the Inlander and Westlander will both change to a 4 car consist featuring a Power, Staff and two sitting cars. Both state that onboard snack boxes will be provided to passengers at specific times throughout the journey and that self serve tea, coffee and water facilities are available.

http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Documents/the-inlander/inlander%20Fact%20Sheet_JAN14-15.pdf

http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/RailServices/Documents/the-westlander/Westlander%20Fact%20Sheet_JAN14-15.pdf
xplorer2501

Seriously, just cancel the service. What a joke.
  xplorer2501 Chief Commissioner

Location: Tuggeranong, ACT
Did anyone manage to see the new Spirit of the Outback consist? Smile

Update on the Spirit of the Outback:

For now until April the service will feature two sleeper carriages, one Restaurant Car and two L series sitting carriages (plus a staff car). However according to the QueenslandRail website the Tuesday service from Brisbane and the Thursday service from Longreach will not feature the full first class experience. When booking an notice states: "The Spirit of the Outback-457 - STANDARD FIRST CLASS PRODUCT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR THIS SERVICE. PLEASE CONTACT QUEENSLAND RAIL FOR DETAILS". The other interesting thing is that the factsheet does state that until April sleeping accommodation will be single sleepers, however by the end of January they are selling Twin sleeper cabins which may indicate the first of the refurbished carriages are scheduled to come online then.

I have also noticed a price reduction in April (at least for the B Quick fares) for the Spirit.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Seriously, just cancel the service. What a joke.
"Raichase"


The previous numbers didn't justify major capital outlays. The train descriptions for the SOTO and Sunlander demonstrate even with the roomettes and dinning cars people are abandoning lander style services over the last decade, so its a case the govt maintaining something with the limited resources they have got without burning taxpayers $ on hardware that isn't used. If nothing else at least they are  trying.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I wonder if the staff on the new 'Landers, excluding the SotO and of course the tilt trains have to sleep in reclining seat seating or if the 'staff car' has sleeping accommodation.

It's a long journey and staff would need to be alert...something that might not occur if staff have to sit up all night.

Mike.
  Sulla2 Beginner

I wonder if the staff on the new 'Landers, excluding the SotO and of course the tilt trains have to sleep in reclining seat seating or if the 'staff car' has sleeping accommodation.

It's a long journey and staff would need to be alert...something that might not occur if staff have to sit up all night.

Mike.
"The Vinelander"


The staff cars currently being used are MBS/C economy sleepers and will be replaced by modified LAR roomettes. Seems reasonable to assume most of the sleeping berths in these staff cars will go unused and gather dust for the foreseeable future despite demand or otherwise.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I wonder if the staff on the new 'Landers, excluding the SotO and of course the tilt trains have to sleep in reclining seat seating or if the 'staff car' has sleeping accommodation.

It's a long journey and staff would need to be alert...something that might not occur if staff have to sit up all night.

Mike.
"The Vinelander"


Probably not, but airline staff also rarely sleep in the same poor standard of accommodation as the of the pax unless you are in the pointy end. B777's have beds above the main cabin for the crew. However on B767's (10 years back on what was older 767's then) across the Pacific I had previously noticed the pilots using a BC seat next to me which wasn't a flat bed, only difference is that they had a curtain around them.

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