New Car Set FN3 and other V/Line fleet changes

 
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Liberals - explains a lot! The first thing they slash is the maintenance budget every time, as the general public does not indirectly see the damage being caused though these cuts behind the scenes... The Razor Gangs ...AKA... Bean Counters!!!

Fixing The Trains Victorian & New South Wales Additions... More like "F*****g The Trains" - considering the former NSW Trains Transition Manager, later post start up: NSW Trains Central & West Division Regional Service Manager is now V/Line Operations Manager, I'm hardly surprised to see the things brought in, within NSW are now also being applied in Victoria...

The only difference being where NSW Trains Senior Management & Middle Management (The latter was meant to be slashed to the bone, the opposite occurred, it ballooned something shocking!!!) - I'm told the opposite has occurred at V/Line: A broom had / has been taken to a bloated management structure, the result thinning it out, how true this is? I have no idea, but would be interesting to see!
LegendsofSteam

Well if you think that the ALP will be any different, you are surely deluding yourself. Neither Party has a comprehensive Public Transport Plan. The reason why we still have 60 Year old ex Harris Carriages still running on the rails is the ALP nearly bankrupted the state and ever since there has been a lack of Investment from both sides of Politics.

If we want to be totally fair, the biggest infrastructure investment was done by the ALP, whereas the biggest Order of new Trains was done by the Liberals during the Kennett era. Yes they were base models but the were new nevertheless.

Michael

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  SN7 Chief Commissioner

3VL 52 in service , last Wednesday. The first regional passenger train ordered and delivered by a coalition government in Victoria, since the N sets in 1981.

Previous rollingstock deliveries between these eras of Sprinters, and mk 1 & 2 VL sets were ordered by Labour governments.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!

If we want to be totally fair, the biggest infrastructure investment was done by the ALP, whereas the biggest Order of new Trains was done by the Liberals during the Kennett era. Yes they were base models but the were new nevertheless.

Michael
mejhammers1

More details please? Exactly what new Victorian trains where ordered and delivered by a Coalition government? A handful of 2nd series Xtraps (and doesn't everybody just love them), isn't that about it?

Seriously if you want to give us biased political crap, at least be accurate.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
More details please? Exactly what new Victorian trains where ordered and delivered by a Coalition government? A handful of 2nd series Xtraps (and doesn't everybody just love them), isn't that about it?

Seriously if you want to give us biased political crap, at least be accurate.
Gman_86

My Bad I take that back got my dates mixed up. The Trains were ordered by the Privatised Companies after the ALP had been voted in. Now I wasn't being biased in any way, as I mentioned before it was a mistake and I did praise the ALP in commencing the Regional Rail Link. I have said it before and I will say it again both political parties will not deliver when it comes to Public Transport. The lack of action and total spin by the Coalition has been well documented. The best that the ALP has come up with so far is the removal of 50 level crossings, 30 new trains and a metro system for Bendigo, Bendigo !!, when Melbourne's system is failing badly he is going to spend money on a system for Bendigo!!!


Michael
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

V/Line is owned by the Government and has been for the last 2 - 3 terms. So any rollingstock ordered in that time frame is ordered and paid for by the State Government.

Suburban wise dont be fooled by the Government  PR spin re privatized trains or trams.  Basically it is a contract  fee for service as Governemnt retains all revenue .  Metro trains and Yarra Trams run an agreed timetable to an agreed service and capacity level for a set price .  Deliver better than key KPI and you earn bonuses, dont achieve those KPI and you get fined .  Any new / additional trains/trams are paid above the contract price by Government.  Government also determines  $  amount towards capital works and  day to day infrastructure maintenance .
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
anyone have any idea when VL53 will be approximately finished being built and come into service?
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

3VL53 commenced  mainline testing this week,  one week of acceptance trials,  usually to Bunyip.

A 66 should return from ICE radio instruction training ex Warrnambool  on 8250 today , second unit.

N 458 being fitted with ICE radio.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
With N458 being fitted with ICE radio does this mean the end of A66 running around the country on testing duties?

Is ICE radio testing to be an ongoing requirment?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Anyone know of the current status of VL05 and VL12?
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

3VL53 completed acceptance testing & commissioning,  entered service yesterday.
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
3VL53 completed acceptance testing & commissioning, entered service yesterday.
SN7

where was its first trip? do u know?
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

3VL53 maiden voyage was on 1308 down Wendouree , on Thursday 11/12.

3VL54 commences high speed testing next week !!
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
anyone know when the first trailer car is to be inserted into a 2-car V'locity set?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

anyone know when the first trailer car is to be inserted into a 2-car V'locity set?
Some rail man

Focus seems to be at the moment on turning out the new and additional 3 car VL sets as quickly as possible pre RRL opening 04/15 . So on current picture new x 3 car sets first, then the extra motorized cars will be inserted into the remaining 3 car sets . That takes VL fleet to 177 cars, and still 20 more cars to be ordered by current new Government .
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
When were trailer cars ordered for Vlocity sets. I must have missed it! Intermediate cars - yes but not trailer cars?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Same thing. Can be referred to as Trailer Motors.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
There is a difference, a true trailer car has no driving motor, nor any drivers cabin.

I understand there is a close similarity, but there has been a bit of talk on this forum of late that V/Line should be ordering trailer cars, instead of the Intermediate or motor trailer cars that have been ordered. Makes sense that somebody would want to clarify the difference.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
There's a strong view in PTV that the 20 new cars announced by Labor will be non-motorised intermediate cars to create 20 4~car sets. These look like being 80 seat vehicles as no need for the central exhaust housing that exists on the current motorised intermediate cars.
  aussiebbq Assistant Commissioner

Location: Ballarat, Australia
There's a strong view in PTV that the 20 new cars announced by Labor will be non-motorised intermediate cars to create 20 4~car sets. These look like being 80 seat vehicles as no need for the central exhaust housing that exists on the current motorised intermediate cars.
Trainplanner

Can that be done? Is the power of the three motorised units sufficient to cope with the drag of the of the non powered car.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

There's a strong view in PTV that the 20 new cars announced by Labor will be non-motorised intermediate cars to create 20 4~car sets. These look like being 80 seat vehicles as no need for the central exhaust housing that exists on the current motorised intermediate cars.
Trainplanner

Ans so they should be too . VLP have already wasted $ millions of taxpayers funds buying driving ends that are rarely used . VLP have enough VL train sets as such, what they have needed for ages is longer VL train sets . In buying more 3 car sets it is operationally very convenient, but it is an expensive and lazy way to run the railway. What we neednow  is maximum sseats for same $ . So 20 intermediate true trailers inserted into existing 3 car sets is the way to go . Then use as 4 car sets in Off Peak on Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo & Traralgon and coupled to other sets to make up 7 or 8 car sets for Peak use on Geelong Line.

A four car set with three powering cars is still plenty of HP for a train of that weight and given the excess fat already built into VLP schedules a four car set should have no problems maintaining the existing padded schedules .In reality once one gets over a 3 car powered VL set it is actually cheaper to run a loco hauled train .  

If the 20 extra cars are not trailers then buying more 3 car VL train sets is crazy as it locks VLP into operating 3, 6 or 9 car consists. Under VLP thinking when a 3 car set is not enough you then have to run 6 cars, even when a 4 car set would be ideal . The additional maintenance and fuel costs involved over a year add up to many millions of dollars in running around excess capacity, whereas 4 car sets introduce a lot more flexibility in matching patronage by trip and lower capital acquisition costs and lower operating costs .
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Given that many services run as 6 cars wouldn't it be more sensible to make 6-car sets? That way you could free up units to run additional services.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Given that many services run as 6 cars wouldn't it be more sensible to make 6-car sets? That way you could free up units to run additional services.
railblogger

At Off Peak times only the Geelong line justifies current operation with 6 car sets, but with a 20 minute service from 04/15  6 cars will be too much and  3 cars probably too little (rememebering the new stations will increase patronage 40 - 50 % overnight) .

Strict fixed 6 car sets with say two driving ends, two motored intermediate cars, and two true trailers would be currently a gross oversupply of capacity in Off Peak on any corridor, so would only get Peak use .

The thing VLp will regret in future is that they have bought so many  2 and 3 car sets with driving ends as the number of intermediate cars powered and  say with 20 true trailers makes it difficult to re-configure the VL fleet to meet growing patronage, as there are not enough intermediate cars and too many driving stations.

In an ideal world  if more intermedaite cars had been purchased up to now, then one could make up 5 car sets in future also as well as 4 car sets now .

The  use of the H car fleet over the last 30 years gives a very good example of how one can continually re-configure the fleet over the years to better meet the changing and increasing patronage .  Viz:  Originally  13 x 3 car sets = 39 cars, then we built  BIH  intermediate cars, and a couple more BCH cars .  Re configured over time as a mix of 3 and 4 car sets, then some 5 car sets, now all as  9 x 6 car sets = 54 cars (with 1 spare).
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I know from experience many inter-peak Bendigo line services operate with at least 4 cars, even those that leave after 12:00. What is the current situation on other lines?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
In 2012 tests were done on what the impact on train performance might be using the 4 car concept but doing tests with 2 X 2 car sets with one car cut out. The tests were very positive with negligible impact. A 4 car set as proposed would be lighter and have better aerodynamic performance.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

A four car set with an unpowered trailer car has another bonus spin off. You don’t have to build them at the Bombardier factory at Dandenong, which is flat out already. They can be build at Alstrom in Ballarat and at Bendigo. Thus helping local employment and the local economy in those areas.

BTW Is there still a rail factory works at Newport?

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