Melbournes underground rail network comparatively to Sydney

 
  torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

Okay we have different interpretations of a CBD,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_central_business_district  uses the strict "Sydney 2000" as the CBD,  many suburbs share postcodes.

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  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Because Melbourne =/= Sydney.

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  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
There was a trial of a Double decker in Melbourne "4D" in the 90's - it was a complete failure - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4D_Train The train was similar to a Tangara. It was too tall for many lines due to low bridges etc.
torrens5022

Actually, it could run practically anywhere that wasn't between Jolimont and West Richmond, but because it was the only train of its type, it was restricted to the Lilydale/Belgrave lines. It did make at least one trip to Pakenham, and obviously it was able to get to Newport Workshops (it wouldn't surprise me if it was tested as far as Werribee like the X'Traps are). I don't know if it ever went to Glen Waverley or Alamein, but I do remember seeing it at Flinders Street platform 3 with Glen Waverley on the desto, although it was not taking passengers (according to the monitors) and the doors remained closed until it left empty cars towards Richmond (presumably to be stabled at Bayswater, or possibly Burnley, if the 4D was actually cleared for there). Of course, these were the days before digital cameras, smartphones and Twitbook...

Interesting, I never saw the 4D running solo. As I remember it, they always ran it coupled to a 3 car ?Comeng? set, so there would be something reliable to tow it when it inevitably broke down.
The 4D was the Alfa Romeo of trains. Both look nice, but both are profoundly unreliable.
Bogong


The 4D ran with a 3 car Comeng until driver-only operation was introduced in 1996 or so. The guard had to sit in the trailing set to open and close the doors since the door signals weren't compatible - the removal of guards was the only thing which spelled the end of the 7 car 4D+Comeng set.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The intention was to place a significant order for the dd trains and the trial 4D set was quite successful. With the Kennet privatizations bidders were requestedvto bid including x number of dd sets. BUT. a number of bidders were not keen on dd trains and would only bid with single deck sets. So the 4D set became an orphan and was subsequently withdrawn and scrapped.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
The intention was to place a significant order for the dd trains and the trial 4D set was quite successful. With the Kennet privatizations bidders were requestedvto bid including x number of dd sets. BUT. a number of bidders were not keen on dd trains and would only bid with single deck sets. So the 4D set became an orphan and was subsequently withdrawn and scrapped.
kuldalai

Successful? It spent more time being repaired than it did in service. I believe that was the reason it was scrapped.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

When did our tram network become the biggest in the world? I last heard it was 10th. I personally find trams to be cramped and uncomfortable, but I agree that it is better than contending with the traffic.
Camster

From "Trams in Melbourne" on wikipedia...........

The Melbourne tramway network is a major form of public transport in Melbourne, the capital city of the state of Victoria, Australia. As of May 2014, the network consisted of 250 kilometres of track, 493 trams, 25 routes, and 1,763 tram stops.[3] It is the largest urban tramway network in the world,[3] ahead of the networks in St. Petersburg (240 km), Berlin (190 km), Moscow (181 km) and Vienna (172 km).[4]

[3]
  • "Facts & Figures". Yarra Trams. Retrieved 13 October 2014.



  • [4]
    "Wien hat das fünftgrößte Straßenbahnnetz der Welt" [Vienna has the fifth largest tramway network in the world]. Wiener Linien website (in German). Wiener Linien. 2011. Retrieved 19 October 2011.


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      woodford Chief Commissioner

    That is what I have read in a Victorian Labor government report about level crossing removal in Melbourne. Sorry there is no need to verbally abuse me.

    Melbourne has approximately 180 level crossings.

    Sydney did removed its level crossings and there is not many left. that is the point I was making.
    wxtre

    In an interview on ABC local radio (774khz AM) last year the head of Melbourne's Metro rail system stated there were 205 level crossings in Melbourne and 6 in Sydney.

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      davesvline Chief Commissioner

    Location: 1983-1998
    Well one thing is for sure................

    Both underground networks could do with a works train going down them with the water pressure sprayer on to blast off all the grot, grime and dirty dusty crap on the walls and track etc. I last time I saw Sydney's underground was in 2000 and it looked absolutely filthy. Admittedly its much older but never the less, its probably never been washed down since it was built??
    Melbourne's stations have metal paneling on the sides, and despite them being only 35ish years old, its looking grotty, disgraceful and unkempt.

    Sure, you're just there to catch a train, but when the train isn't there that is the dirty crap you have to look at!!

    About time they cleaned em both if you ask me.


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