The introduction of TCMS

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The introduction of TCMS took a step closer last weekend when the system took over from Metrol computers recently as a trial.

The system can automatically route trains through the controlled areas.  NO date as yet on the release of the system but it must be getting close.

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  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The introduction of TCMS took a step closer last weekend when the system took over from Metrol computers recently as a trial.

The system can automatically route trains through the controlled areas. NO date as yet on the release of the system but it must be getting close.
bevans

Is this a system similar to what ARTC are developing with ATMS? (https://atms.artc.com.au/)?
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
TCMS?

ATMS?

There was a complaint about the overzealous use of acronyms only two weeks ago.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

TCMS?

ATMS?

There was a complaint about the overzealous use of acronyms only two weeks ago.
michaelgreenhill

Well for the uninitiated, and those unable to use google, 14.5 seconds in a search engine whilst sipping a fine tawny port revealed the following:

http://www.bombardier.com/en/transportation/products-services/propulsion-controls/products/train-control-and-management-system.html

The Brain of the Train
MITRAC Train Control and Management System (TCMS) is a high capacity, infrastructure backbone built on open standard Ethernet-technology that allows easy integration of all control and communication requiring functions on-board the train.
MITRAC TCMS provides higher processing capability and a very high bandwidth for the real time exchange of data, both throughout the train and with the outside world, via up to date mobile communications. These intelligent services and solutions mean better business opportunities for vehicle builders, maintenance supplier and operators. Smarter trains are more competitive and profitable trains.
The newest MITRAC TCMS generation combines existing train control technology with open IP-enabled control, management and information systems and offers a scalable and expandable solution for all rail transport applications.
One single platform including communication backbone and equipment allows the integration of all on-board systems and applications as well as enables the communication between train and wayside. Real time information availability allows proactive transit security, information transfer, maintenance and much more.


but hey what do I know
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
TCMS?

ATMS?

There was a complaint about the overzealous use of acronyms only two weeks ago.
michaelgreenhill

In my defence, did try and include a link for ATMS, for those who didn't want to read Advanced Train Management System.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
My question therefore still remains, given I don't know anything about Metro's fancy computer brain- is it going to be similar to Advanced Train Management System]?

You have to wonder, if so why not get the other private operators onside and pool resources together to develop a system that is compatible and dare I say, standardised?

Why we need to reinvent the wheel each time, costing the taxpayer more and more is beyond me. Let's not mention that Sydney Trains Advanced Train Protection (while only stage 1 at this time) is yet another lost opportunity for deeper collaboration within the rail industry.
#lament
  mrmoopt Chief Commissioner

Location: _
There is an open standard - it's called ECTS/ERTMS
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
There is an open standard - it's called ECTS/ERTMS
calt

Gasp another acronym!
  mrmoopt Chief Commissioner

Location: _
I did a typo, it should have read ETCS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Train_Control_System

ERTMS
http://www.bombardier.com/en/transportation/products-services/rail-control-solutions/ertms.html

Most major providers can provide ETCS solutions that allow other vendors products to work on their signalling.
ie. A Siemens ETCS signalling should allow for trains fitted with Alstom's ETCS product to talk.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

ok for those who are unable/unwilling to try and type the acronym into a search engine, the basic answer is:

no they are not the same.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
ok for those who are unable/unwilling to try and type the acronym into a search engine, the basic answer is:

no they are not the same.
theanimal

Given the technical nature of the answer given, on those websites I would not think it unreasonable to ask for simple answer, such as what you have just given.

Bit surprised by your attitude theanimal, normally you quite forthcoming with assistance.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
ok for those who are unable/unwilling to try and type the acronym into a search engine, the basic answer is:

no they are not the same.
theanimal
Pull your head in.

The question was asked, "are they similar?", and the floor opened up for expert advice. Sure, we could all jump onto search engines and make our own interpretation; or perhaps someone who uses these systems could provide the answer - perhaps without the attitude. That's what these forums are for.
  mrmoopt Chief Commissioner

Location: _
The Bombardier system goes further than controlling authorities for section blocks. The MITRAC can integrate with CCTV cameras, adjust cooling, etc. So it is suited for commuter/metro operation.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The over-users of acronyms should P O Q because there's danger of a K in the A.Laughing
  mrmoopt Chief Commissioner

Location: _
Haha. Kick up the orifice. Love it.
  hot-axle-box Junior Train Controller

They have been having "Train Control Management System" trials for the last year on certain weekends, the most recent trial ran for 3 days.
It does what the old system does with a few more available options. The metrol computer routes trains automatically, has done for nearly 40 years.
TCMS is just a faster computer driving the same old point motors and signals and the train controllers will not have buttons anymore just a mouse and in a new control room.
The routing of trains is always automatic unless there is a reason to go manual. Signallers enter train numbers into computer at fringe boxes and the route is set based on that number. If you have a disruption of some sort or late running trains then the train controller takes over. Its good to have a new system in place, but you have to say the old system is hanging in there !
  mrmoopt Chief Commissioner

Location: _
http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/signalling/wireless-level-crossing-control-debuts-in-japan.html?channel=532

This article shows that in Japan, they have combined wireless moving block with an ECTS type system. (a European standard used worldwide for signalling that has compatible standards for multiple manufacturers)

Something Metro should begin to investigate.
  Kerpal Deputy Commissioner

I wonder if this will eliminate the mandatory 2-20 minute delay outside Flinders Street every fu king morning!
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

All this talk of new systems is hilarious when there are still rotten sleepers all over the network.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I'm SO over acronyms....if the post was worth posting in the first place so is an explanation of the acronym, without a flippant reference to go use Google.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I'm SO over acronyms....if the post was worth posting in the first place so is an explanation of the acronym, without a flippant reference to go use Google.
The Vinelander
I have to agree.
I often wonder whether the use of acronyms is really an attempt to say that 'I know more than you/I am smarter than you'.
If one expects their post to be of any use to anyone it should be in everyday English so as to be informative as possible. Sad To do otherwise is simply bad manners.
Some topics attract more acronyms than others and signalling seems to be one of them these days.
I have reached the stage where if I don't understand the acronyms in a post I certainly don't go looking for a translation and simply say to myself 'stuff them'.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Well said.  It doesn't take much more effort to type the words, rather than just their initials.

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